What do you bid?

[the hog]

I was just asked what to bid on this hand. I have my own ideas, but I would like a comment or two

 

South opens 1S (5card major); West overcalls 2H

This is North's hand

S = 764

H = J

D = 3

C = AJT86532

[helene_t]

2♠.

[karlson]

I'll overbid as usual to get my suit in. 3c.

 

I'm not particularly interested in playing this hand in spades though of course it could be right.

[karlson]

Actually I've changed my mind. I'm just going to bid 5c, assuming it's not a fit-jump, since I'm going to do this over 4h anyway, and it's not clear to me that I will sit for partner's 3n, either.

[han]

5C.

[kfay]

Actually I've changed my mind. I'm just going to bid 5c, assuming it's not a fit-jump, since I'm going to do this over 4h anyway, and it's not clear to me that I will sit for partner's 3n, either.

I think this is crazy. How can't we be interested in playing in spades?

 

Now if I only knew what to bid......

 

I guess I'll go game if this is IMPs. And I'll start with 3♣ and support spades later.

[han]

How likely is it that partner will correct to clubs when that's right Kevin? Should he play you for a 6-count with 8 clubs?

[kfay]

How likely is it that partner will correct to clubs when that's right Kevin? Should he play you for a 6-count with 8 clubs?

Yeah I feel you're right now after thinking about it for a bit.

 

Can't get rid of many of partner's losers unless he has club support, most likely....

 

Still don't know what to do though. :rolleyes:

[H_KARLUK]

4♠

Prospects are bleak.

[Apollo81]

3♣ seems clear to me, as most other calls preclude us from playing in one of the two possible suits.

[maggieb]

Any spade raise is a beginner's bid.

 

I understand 3C but I don't think that you can make a sensible decision later anyway, so I would bid 5C immediately.

 

Edit: what Han said.

[benlessard]

The stiff diamonds + A of clubs + the fact that i dont have a super fit make it likely they dont make 5H. So no need to go crazy for saving, its could easily be your hand.

 

2nd is 5C a better contract than 4S ? Maybe, maybe not. Im not willing to gamble on this.

 

I think bidding 2S and bidding 4S over 4H will show 3/4 card supports short heart and extras distribution. This a a fair description of my hand.

 

 

Bidding 3S has a lot to offer too if it could help partner to know what to over 4/5H but its not so clear.

 

I prefer 2S.

[ochinko]

Don't put an 8 cards suit in the dummy.

 

I prefer the other unthinkable course of action - hiding the ♠ fit. 5♣ is perhaps a better bid, but I start with 3♣.

[hotShot]

How many red cards can I ruff with my 3 small spades?

How many of my ♠ loser are covered by partners 1♠ bid?

 

My hand is stronger in ♣ so the choices are 3♣, 4♣ or 5♣.

Since 4♣ might have a different use, I can't use that with a pickup partner.

So I overbid in 5♣.

[gwnn]

Yep we have a crap crap hand for spades, 5♣ it should be.

 

/*Even though maybe we could do a bit of masterminding, over

 

1♠-(2♥)-3♣

3♠-4♣

4♠

 

or, to a lesser extent,

 

1♠-(2♥)-3♣

4♠

 

it's quite clear that 4♠ should do better than 5♣.

 

There are numerous problems with this approach:

-partner may overbid to slam a good portion of the time when 5♣ was making

-opps get a free ride to finding their fit when they have a fit, maybe they were the ones who have slam!

-masterminding is wrong, 8 card suits are trump, and another one or two adages here.*/

[Rossoneri]

3♣, even though it can be problematic and bring us too high sometimes.

[whereagles]

I'm with 5♣ too. Playing spades, my 8 card suit might produce 1 trick only if dummy gets tapped.

 

I'm willing to venture Richard agrees with me.. lol

[helene_t]

Oops it's an 8-card suit, I counted only 7. Not sure what I would have done if I counted correctly but the case for 5♣ seems convincing.

[JLOL]

3♣

 

LOL

[the hog]

Wow, thanks for the responses. I think thi is hard and a case can be made for a number of bids - even 2S. I suggested the poster bid 5C, but I really am not sre this is right. Can someone do a simulation maybe?

[whereagles]

Ron, if you use Linux, you might want to try henk uijterwaal's "dealer" program. It's pretty good at doing simulations.

 

I would help you, but I'm not using Linux at home or office right now.

[cherdano]

I think bidding 2S and bidding 4S over 4H will show 3/4 card supports short heart and extras distribution. This a a fair description of my hand.

Sorry, it's not.

 

I would bid 5♣.

[han]

I think bidding 2S and bidding 4S over 4H will show 3/4 card supports short heart and extras distribution. This a a fair description of my hand.

Is this a joke or what?

[benlessard]

Sorry, it's not

What does it show then ? I mean i hope you dont usually bid 2S and take a sac at the 4 level without distribution.

 

Anyway if you dont trust your partner to figure it out than you still can bid 2S and if partner doesnt rebid his spades then you might try for 5C. My feeling is that he will rebid them. 5C might be a terrible doubled contract, 4S may be a great contract and its quite possible that neither side may make a 5 level contract.

[jdonn]

Sorry, it's not

What does it show then ? I mean i hope you dont usually bid 2S and take a sac at the 4 level without distribution.

Are you saying partner should run from 4♠ to 5♣ when he is 2-2 in the minors or something since he knows you have an 8 card suit on the side?

 

(I'm not being facetious - maybe that is what you are saying)