Any recourse?

[MFA]

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Did you miss the point that the 4th placed pair DID check their own score (which was correct) but the third placed pair DIDN'T (and they had too many points due to the bridgemate mistake)?

 

It could very hard for a pair to spot another pair's mistake.

 

 

Nope I didn't miss it; the facts are still the same; If you don't or cannot be bothered to check your scores / frequencies when they are posted and inside the correction period as set out; Then you cannot cry when you do look after the time is up and find them wrong

 

In the case of wrong Bridgemate Scores being entered that is down to the two pairs at the table to check correct entry

 

Otherwise it is TOUGH you must abide by the rlues of contest

 

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Hmm, I'm not sure I understand your post :).

 

But your general point is that the 30min correction period should be the final deadline no matter what? Or?

 

(Absent extreme cases such as later disqualification, I guess).

[shintaro]

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My point is that you Abide by the rules of contest

 

Thus if you do not wait and check then you have nothing to cry about if the scores are wrong

 

There are logical exceptions one of which you state

 

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[MFA]

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Thus if you do not wait and check then you have nothing to cry about if the scores are wrong

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How do you check if the scores at the other tables are entered correctly?

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[JoAnneM]

Where is 30 minutes coming from? That's not for one session regular events. I work in Director's offices, they are correcting the next day!

 

And what medals and prize money are we talking about? I have never seen any of that, maybe I am playing in the wrong games. ACBL doesn't even allow prize money.

[shintaro]

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How do you check if the scores at the other tables are entered correctly?

 

 

Obviously YOU dont nor for that matter can the TD's (assuming the score entered is possible) but that still does not alter the Conditions of Contest

 

If players do not enter the correct score and using Bridgemates confirm that what has been entered is indeed correct; then the only way round it is to start draconian measures for INCORRECT inputting/checking of scores; but that will not solve the problem of someone who only notices that THEY entered or agreed an Incorrect score when they look on the Internet 2 or 3 days later; how would you know at all if they were not posted on the internet; perhaps one answer is to NOT post frequencies on the Internet then no-one would know

 

That is life

 

The 30minutes Joanne I assume is ACBL contests but I do not know

We have similar time limits here in UK

 

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[MFA]

Where is 30 minutes coming from? That's not for one session regular events.  I work in Director's offices, they are correcting the next day!

 

And what medals and prize money are we talking about?  I have never seen any of that, maybe I am playing in the wrong games.  ACBL doesn't even allow prize money.

The event we are talking about is the Danish Pairs Championships. Medals and prize money are awarded.

In Denmark we have a general rule of a 30min correction period. Special rules applies for some tournaments, though.

 

shintaro

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My point is that you Abide by the rules of contest

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It happens to be so nice that I'm in the committee that makes these rules. So if I don't like them, I'll just have them changed. :)

Therefore my question is purely political, how should the rules be? I was not part of the actual incident.

[Echognome]

I think the problem is difficult. Of course keeping the onus on the players to check their scores if they think they are incorrectly too low is one thing. However, I don't think it's feasible to require players to check their scores and make sure they are not too high.

 

I think there are a couple of reasonable alternatives. One option is to keep the correction period to 30 minutes and say to everyone that the organizers will do their best to get the correct scores in and people should check all of their scores, but once the correction period is over, the scores are final.

 

Another option is to caveat the results, allowing for certain types of scoring errors, such as mistyping the score from the traveller (where there is a direct chain of evidence). So, the scores are "unofficial" until a later time when they become "official" and then just set a reasonable extended correction time for those types of errors. Maybe 1 day?

[shintaro]

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It happens to be so nice that I'm in the committee that makes these rules. So if I don't like them, I'll just have them changed. :D

Therefore my question is purely political, how should the rules be? I was not part of the actual incident.

:)

 

However you or I feel about the rules we have to have them the Game just would not run efficientely without them

 

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[JoAnneM]

Input errors off a traveler or pickup ticket should be the exception to any rules about time expiring. There are all kinds of reasons why you can't check your scores right away, including the crowd around the scores, in Boston the rail system shutting down too early, your ride won't wait for you, etc.

 

I think people need to lighten up about this kind of stuff.

[jdonn]

Input errors off a traveler or pickup ticket should be the exception to any rules about time expiring. There are all kinds of reasons why you can't check your scores right away, including the crowd around the scores, in Boston the rail system shutting down too early, your ride won't wait for you, etc.

 

I think people need to lighten up about this kind of stuff.

I have to agree. It's one thing if you have mistakenly signed an incorrect score slip, or left the table without signing for your score. But I can't believe there should be such an onus on the players to pay for mistakes made by the officials when they can so easily be found later.

[Finch]

Where is 30 minutes coming from? That's not for one session regular events. I work in Director's offices, they are correcting the next day!

 

And what medals and prize money are we talking about? I have never seen any of that, maybe I am playing in the wrong games. ACBL doesn't even allow prize money.

maybe the ACBL doesn't offer prize money, but not everyone posting on this forum plays in ACBL events.

[Finch]

Input errors off a traveler or pickup ticket should be the exception to any rules about time expiring. There are all kinds of reasons why you can't check your scores right away, including the crowd around the scores, in Boston the rail system shutting down too early, your ride won't wait for you, etc.

 

I think people need to lighten up about this kind of stuff.

It's not a matter of 'lightening up' or not, it's a matter of what the rules are. If the rules say there is a 30 minute correction period, then that's what there is and that's the end of it, you don't make special rules that only apply to some people.

 

As MFA says, it's more interesting to discuss what the rules actually should be.

[jdonn]

I think people need to lighten up about this kind of stuff.

It's not a matter of 'lightening up' or not, it's a matter of what the rules are.

I equate that to saying "I'm not paranoid, everyone is just out to get me!"