jillybean Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ 3 ♥ AJ74 ♦ 63 ♣ AQJ742 West North East South - Pass Pass 1♣ 1♦ 1♠ Pass 2♣ Pass Pass 2♦ Pass Pass 2♠ Pass ? Here's a hand I had the other night where we missed the best contract.I'll post the other hand later but for now do you agree with the bidding andwhat is your bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I'd correct to 3c. I don't see how this can be wrong when partner didn't bid 2s over 2c. The previous bidding seems fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Bid again. If partner really wanted to play 2♠ that badly he shoulda bid it over 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Agree, partner's clubs are better than our spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sk8542hkt5d85ck86&s=s3haj74d63caqj742]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - Pass Pass 1♣ 1♦ 1♠ Pass 2♣ Pass Pass 2♦ Pass Pass 2♠ Pass Pass Pass I missed the meaning of my partners pass over 2♣. Does anyone I think 3♣ would have been better than 2♠?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I do. Partner had the right idea but you would have bid 2S over 2D anyway if you were 3-6 in the blacks. The choice was between a 9-card club fit or at most a 7-card spade fit, doesn't seem too hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 3C. Partners pass over 2C should deny a 6 card spade suit.He should also have some tolerance for clubs. 2S was fine, ... as long as partner understandsthe bid, 2C could be based on a 5 carder, say,opener has 4 hearts and less the reverse strength. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I don't like partner's 2♠ bid on Kxxxx I fully expected that the 2♠ bid was on 5 cards (partner would have bid 2♠ over 2♣ with 6), but the suit should have been better - at least KJTxx, maybe even better than that. Partner should expect that opener will pass 2♠ automatically if opener holds xx in spades, and maybe with a singleton honor. Kxxxx does not play well opposite either of these holdings, and partner holds Kxx of clubs. I don't know about your personal tendencies, but I would raise spades on any reasonable 3 card spade holding. So partner should know that opener does not have 3 reasonable spades on this auction. The fact is that I would have bid 3♣ on both hands - I would have bid 3♣ instead of 2♠ on partner's hand, and I would have bid 3♣ on your hand since I don't want to play a 5-1 spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Agree, partner's clubs are better than our spades. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Yes, I would have raised ♠ holding any reasonable hand and 3♠. I should have realised my pards pass of 2♣ shows tolerance and corrected to 3♣. otoh, I think my 2♣ bid should show 6 or is 5 standard ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Yes, I would have raised ♠ holding any reasonable hand and 3♠. I should have realised my pards pass of 2♣ shows tolerance and corrected to 3♣. otoh, I think my 2♣ bid should show 6 or is 5 standard ? You had already shown 6 clubs, but you might have had 2 (or even possibly 3) spades. So you don't go back to clubs to show extra length there, you go back to show lack of suitability for spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Yes, I would have raised ♠ holding any reasonable hand and 3♠. I should have realised my pards pass of 2♣ shows tolerance and corrected to 3♣. otoh, I think my 2♣ bid should show 6 or is 5 standard ? You had already shown 6 clubs, but you might have had 2 (or even possibly 3) spades. So you don't go back to clubs to show extra length there, you go back to show lack of suitability for spades. Yes yes I understand that but pard must have thought I was showing 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Maybe, but I think we have already established partner did not bid correctly :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Maybe, but I think we have already established partner did not bid correctly :) We both messed up and now I was thinking 2♣ was only 5... :) ntw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6). Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6). Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand? First, partner did not open a weak two.Second, 2C does not promise a 6 carder. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6). Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand? Yes partner can pass 2♣ with 6 bad spades, especially with a doubleton club that can be the percentage action since we promised 6+ clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6). Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand? First, partner did not open a weak two.Second, 2C does not promise a 6 carder. With kind regardsMarlowe For me, 2♣ promises 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 whatever you promise or deny, 2♠ brings a clear message: I want o play 3♣, but I wonder if 2♠ might be better. If you had 2 spades and 5 clubs you might have problems deciding, with singleton spade and 6 good clubs it is easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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