sathyab Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 What's the "standard" meaning of X when the auction goes 1h-p-1nt-(2s)-X ? As the opener can easily have 4-5 in majors and a good hand, is there any reason this could not be a penalty double, even if you play low-level doubles in other auctions as T/O ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I don't know what you mean by "is there a reason it could not be penalty." There are reasons it either could or couldn't be. Maybe penalty is technically standard but in any reasonable partnership I have I would believe it was takeout oriented even if we hadn't discussed it. I often make the agreement that it's a support double with extra values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Clearly takeout for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathyab Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I don't know what you mean by "is there a reason it could not be penalty." There are reasons it either could or couldn't be. Maybe penalty is technically standard but in any reasonable partnership I have I would believe it was takeout oriented even if we hadn't discussed it. I often make the agreement that it's a support double with extra values.Support double ? Just to make sure, you're thinking of the same auction that I meant, you open 1h, partner bids 1nt, your RHO introduces 2s. Where does the support double figure here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I don't know what you mean by "is there a reason it could not be penalty." There are reasons it either could or couldn't be. Maybe penalty is technically standard but in any reasonable partnership I have I would believe it was takeout oriented even if we hadn't discussed it. I often make the agreement that it's a support double with extra values.Support double ? Just to make sure, you're thinking of the same auction that I meant, you open 1h, partner bids 1nt, your RHO introduces 2s. Where does the support double figure here ? Sorry I did misread the auction, I somehow thought partner had bid a suit. This one I definitely play as takeout, and I would always assume the people I play with know that. I don't know what "standard" technically is, but I think it's by far the most common expert treatment to play it as takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Take-out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I am not sure what standard is, but I would assume takeout opposite any of my partners, whether we had discussed this double or not. It is true that you could have 45 and a good hand, but there are many hand types, and you only get to choose one meaning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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