olien Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 After 1♣-1M// 2♦ in Polish ♣, which is best in WJ2005: a) Matula's "complex" relay structure-2D=18+ HCP "balanced" B) Odwrotka-2D=3+ fit 18+ HCP.....basically standard 4455 c) The new "natural" approach suggested by Jassem.....2D=<4-fit 18+ HCP and 2NT=4+ fit and 18+ HCP.....both with natural continuations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Are you asking which to use? Its not close in my view - Matula's structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 unclear to me what is best. i'm using bubrotka (check http://www.geocities.com/daniel_neill_2001...2005webpage.htm ) just reading about variant C ("natural" -- odwyrtka) in the same document. seems interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I use bubrotka too, but I still wait for it to pay. Up to now we just had the first three answers, so maybe an even easier system had been enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 The version of PC I played was MickyB's which essentially used Matula's structure I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 The version of PC I played was MickyB's which essentially used Matula's structure I think. DavidC's, please :D I don't know Matula's version but I'd be surprised if ours was not simpler than his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I use bubrotka too, but I still wait for it to pay. Up to now we just had the first three answers, so maybe an even easier system had been enough. Bubrotka is an improvement over Odwrotka (445566), don't know about the other methods. We also had the 3M-answers in addition to 2M and 2NT, they were helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I use bubwrotka with those I play polish club with. It's simple enough, gets the job done. I have no complaints. The higher bids don't come up too often, but when they do they work well because they are more specific (by design). Bubwrotka:2♥ = Weak 42♠ = Strong 42NT = Strong 53♣ = 9-11, 4M, 5+Cs3♦ = 9-11, 4M, 5+Ds3♥ = Weak, 5, unbalanced3♠ = Weak, 5, balanced3NT = Weak, 6+, no shortness4x = Weak, 6+, splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 The version of PC I played was MickyB's which essentially used Matula's structure I think. DavidC's, please :) I don't know Matula's version but I'd be surprised if ours was not simpler than his. Ok fine, the two of you then :) (Sorry David!) I have to admit that having had the experience of trying to learn WJ2005, I will say your structure is pretty simple and easy to grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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