sceptic Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=skq9haq86dqt98c83&s=sat83hk52da7653c5]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - 1♦ Pass 1♠ 4♣ Pass Pass 5♣ Pass 5♠ Pass 6♦ Pass Pass Pass I bid 5 clubs, then I bid 6!d, I think a simple 5 diamonds would suffice how would you bid this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Either double or 4♦ seems like enough on the South hand. 5♣ is an overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 5♣ = New Partner Asking Bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 5♣ = New Partner Asking Bid Hard to argue with that..unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 yes kinda guessed it was pushing my luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Double and 4D are just as bad, south should bid 5D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 I have spades and diamonds and a pretty good hand so after 4C rolls around to me I bid 4D. Having already bid spades I take this to show spades and diamonds and a pretty good hand. Exactly how many cards in which suit and just how good I don't know but partner will probably do something sensible. I don't particularly like a double here although it is possible that 4C doubled is the right place to play this. If X is intended as "I have values but don't know what to do" partner may well decide he doesn't know what to do either and pass. Certainly a double should envision a possible pass. Might be right, but I think 4D followed by 5D from N sounds right. Possibly N should bid 4H over 4D which presumably suggest some spades and offers a choice (selecting the right game takes precedence over slam tries). But that's risky and just raising 4D to 5D is simple. (The S in SAYC is for simple, right? :) ) Incidentally, although SAYC always comes in for criticism I am not so sure this hand has anything to do with that system, or any natural system. If I am N I probably bid 5D over 4D. If so, when I get the lead I am playing the Q of diamonds from my hand and running it. If it loses to the K I am running another diamond. So now I see Han's advice. OK, maybe so. But I don't see my hand as being all that good. Partner has a decent hand, enough to bid 5D I think, and still I would not want to stake my life on 11 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 South has an obvious 5♦ bid. 4♦ is just competing, it would be a normal bid (not even a stretch) without the king of hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I guess partner didn't pin ♦J. 5♣ is an overbid but partner could tell you had primary diamond support, so signing off in 5♦ is plausible. However, she had a good hand. Now, if you had your bid - say ♦K as well .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Hope I did not get wrong "how would you bid this". 1♦ > 1 ♠ (4♣ intervene) Pass > DBL (If West Pass)4 ♥ > (If East Pass)5 ♣ (If righty bids 5♣ then I buy 5♦)5 ♦ End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 5♦ is a slight overbid. 4♦, however, is a clear underbid, being competitive only. Having to pick one of them, I'm definitely going for 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 In theory, 5♣ is actually a fine bid... it pard can understand it to show diamonds. Since we have no clue he would take it as such, a straight, non-muddy, 5♦ is definitely preferable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 4D . Partner can raise with any pure minimum like this one. I disagree with Jdonn stating that 4D is competitive and can be done with a king less. Just pass and go plus TYVM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 5♦ seems normal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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