Slammish or not

[dcvetkov]

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you have this hand and hear this bidding

 

LHO Pd RHO

 

3♥ 4♠ Pass ?

 

 

Its not a great hand but you have 2 bullets and control in ♥. Do you pass and take plus or you cue 4D in support of spades ( Assuming parther will decipher that meaning?)

 

- What kid of hand does jump to 4S show?

- What kid of hand would be double, and then 3 or 4 s? Which one is stronger?

 

Reasoning and examples, please;)

[kenrexford]

I think slammish is right. I'd love to have Jx in trumps, or even 10x, but I don't have that. I think I'd bid 5♠ (if 5♥ would be the partnership bid to ask about a heart control).

[jdonn]

I like 5♥. It feels exactly in the invitational range, just worth one move then leaving it to partner.

[ArtK78]

You have to know your partner. The other night, playing with a relatively unknown partner in an ACBL Pairs game on BBO, this exact auction came up. I had Qxxx of spades, and an ace and king on the side. With some partners I would take a call, but I chose to pass. Partner had a balanced 17 count with AKJTx of spades. We barely made game.

 

Now, I am not saying that many players would make the bid my partner made on his cards (at least, I hope there are not), but there are quite a few players out there who are very aggressive in bidding games over preempts. So bidding to the 5 level on these cards may produce a minus score.

[jdonn]

Good point. If partner doesn't know how to play bridge then the correct bid may do a lot worse.

[dcvetkov]

Good point. If partner doesn't know how to play bridge then the correct bid may do a lot worse.

LOL

 

Josh, I must say this was cute.:P

 

Oh, by the way, do you think 4♠, should be 6+spades, most of the time? Should it promise six 100% of the time?

[dcvetkov]

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This was partner's hand. Draw your own conclusions if 4S was right

[kenrexford]

LOL

[rogerclee]

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This was partner's hand. Draw your own conclusions if 4S was right

I was afraid partner would have something like this!

[han]

4S shows 6+ spades and a hand too good for 3S. A good example would be AKJ10xxx x KQx Ax but partner can be slightly worse.

[gwnn]

contrary to popular belief, fast arrival does not apply when you make your first bid over a preempt.

[mikeh]

4S shows 6+ spades and a hand too good for 3S. A good example would be AKJ10xxx x KQx Ax but partner can be slightly worse.

And so could his hand

[whereagles]

I would't bid over 4♠ because pard is bound to have short hearts, in which case he might have streched to bid 4♠ (which he did!)

[han]

Why would partner stretch to jump to 4S with short hearts?

[jdonn]

I would't bid over 4♠ because pard is bound to have short hearts, in which case he might have streched to bid 4♠ (which he did!)

I hope you aren't basing your answer on the hand he actually held.

 

Also I have no idea why he would stretch to bid 4♠ with short hearts. He would stretch to bid SOMETHING, but given that he is already bidding something there is no reason to either overbid or misbid like he did.

[whereagles]

Also I have no idea why he would stretch to bid 4♠ with short hearts.

With short hearts the pressure to bid is greater because it's unlikely pard, who's long in hearts and short in spades, will balance.

 

For instance:

 

AKQxxxx

x

Ax

xxx

 

is quite enough to a 4♠ bid over 3♥. At least I think so. Note that long spades mean pard isn't likely to raise a 3♠ bid because he'll have x/xx only. This makes a direct game bid more attractive.

[jdonn]

Also I have no idea why he would stretch to bid 4♠ with short hearts.

With short hearts the pressure to bid is greater because it's unlikely pard, who's long in hearts and short in spades, will balance.

I agree, which you would notice if you had quoted my entire post and responded to the point I actually made.

 

He would stretch to bid SOMETHING, but given that he is already bidding something there is no reason to either overbid or misbid like he did.

[whereagles]

my head hurts...

[poohbear]

I think pass is 100% clear . lets take the given hand. AKQJxx x KQ10x Kx and everybody bids 4S. Do you really want to be in slam opposite this? It's not like it went 2H 4S. Partner only has 2 levels of spade bids available. Dont hang them

[dcvetkov]

I think pass is 100% clear . lets take the given hand. AKQJxx x KQ10x Kx and everybody bids 4S. Do you really want to be in slam opposite this? It's not like it went 2H 4S. Partner only has 2 levels of spade bids available. Dont hang them

I agree. It should show 6 spades and offensive hand, but not powerhouse.

But what kind of hand is then double first, and then bid 4S?

 

Nobody gave an example

 

Is this one close?

 

AKQJx x KQ10 AKxx

[jdonn]

But what kind of hand is then double first, and then bid 4S?

 

Nobody gave an example

 

Is this one close?

 

AKQJx x KQ10 AKxx

That hand would do so, but so would a worse hand (even an ace lighter). Double then 4♠ shows flexibility for other strains, not a better hand than a direct 4♠.

 

It's hard to say pass is "100% clear" when even on the example offered by the person who thinks so slam would make with the minor suits reversed. So since we could easily have slam, or easily not have slam, maybe inviting is 100% clear...