Free Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 The bidding goes: 1♣ - 1♠ - Dbl* - pass1NT - pass - 2♥ - pass??? The double promisses 4+♥ or 9+HCP 'any' hand. Is this bid forcing, and how many ♥s does it promisse?? [EDIT] Remark: 1♣ - (1♠) - 2♥ would be NOT forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 the bid show 5+♥.About the stengh i think its better player as limit 9-11(12) or something like that which isnt forcing, but i dont usually play negative free bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Easy. If you have ♥'s and want to force, just bid 2♥ instead of double. Simple, bridge 101. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Easy. If you have ♥'s and want to force, just bid 2♥ instead of double. Simple, bridge 101. Ben He mean when playing negative free bids, then 2h is 0-8 and not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Well if you play -ve free bids, then this 2H is forcing; if you don't play-ve free bids, then you could have originally forced with 2H so this bid is now non forcing. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Forcing, seems a very very basic Neg Freebid situation. If you haven't discussed this when playing it, ayayay ;) Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 i voted game forcing, but i play neg free bids... the x was either a normal neg x OR a game force somewhere... with 5 hearts and 5-11 or so, bid 2♥... with the same count and 4 hearts, neg x then pass 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Naturally, if you did not discuss anything :) , this shows 8-10 and 5+ ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 It says that a direct 2♥ would be non-forcing, that means a later 2♥ is forcing. Simple as that. Else you would've made a negative free bid. Don't tell me that shows 0-8, cuz it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 It says that a direct 2♥ would be non-forcing, that means a later 2♥ is forcing. Simple as that. Else you would've made a negative free bid. Don't tell me that shows 0-8, cuz it doesn't. ofcouse it does, in Free's question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 If 2♥ would be not forcing (7-11) then this is the next range: 12+, so it is game forcing. Probably some people don´t play it 7-11, so again the question goes to what would 2♥ on first round mean :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 If 2♥ would be not forcing (7-11) then this is the next range: 12+, so it is game forcing. Probably some people don´t play it 7-11, so again the question goes to what would 2♥ on first round mean :). This question is answered in Free's first message.It shows 8 or less hcp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 If you are playing Negative Free Bids, which you appear to be doing, then a negative double followed by a new suit has to be forcing. I've seen different treatments regarding whether a double followed by a new suit is game forcing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Ok... I didn't realize you are playing negative free bids. When I play negative free bids, this 2♥ bid would be 100% forcing... but note, my "doubles" with negative free bids is stronger than your 9+ any hand. I guess playing your way, since responder might have only 9 HCP, for your it should be no forcing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 5+♥, RF. This is std way for most of bg players. Despite my above opinion there is something unclear in situation and need some general agreement with p, because cue bid is available as GF. When you already have one bid for GF, is it means you can use other as NF. In example you can play: 2♥: less than inv NF; dbl, later 2♥: inv, NF; dbl, later 2♠(cue), next 3♥: GF. Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 It says that a direct 2♥ would be non-forcing, that means a later 2♥ is forcing. Simple as that. Else you would've made a negative free bid. Don't tell me that shows 0-8, cuz it doesn't. A direct 2♥ shows 4/5- 8 HCP, normally.You want to get lower that's fine but upper limit is mostly 8/9 HCP.But the question is still, this is as basic as it can get when you play Neg.Freebids, and you really have not talked about it ? That's very scary...... Mike :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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