Lobowolf Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa8xxxhqxdajxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MPOpponents silent. 3♣ (4SF) would be forcing to game. [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 This one's easy: 2NT. Pard will bid 3♠ on the way to 3NT if he's got 3 cards. If bidding NT on weak black holdings annoys you, you can try 3♦ instead. If pard is the sort of person who always tries for 3NT, you can also try the immaginative 3♥ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Whereagles convinced me, though I would have used the 4th suiot forcing... C'mon I have 11 HCP which are like 14 in this sequence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 2♥ for me. Wimpy, but bidding 2NT directs us towards what will often be the wrong game (and the opponents will have no trouble finding the right lead). Occasionally a 2♥ rebid misses a game, but some of these 26 hcp with no fit and no stopper games don't make anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 I would bid 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 This one's easy: 2NT. Pard will bid 3♠ on the way to 3NT if he's got 3 cards. I'd be inclined to rebid 2♠ as opener with a 3-5-4-1 minimum at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 This one's easy: 2NT. Pard will bid 3♠ on the way to 3NT if he's got 3 cards. I'd be inclined to rebid 2♠ as opener with a 3-5-4-1 minimum at matchpoints. That's why partner will rebid 3♠ with three of them over 2NT; he's got extras and will accept the invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 This one's easy: 2NT. Pard will bid 3♠ on the way to 3NT if he's got 3 cards. I'd be inclined to rebid 2♠ as opener with a 3-5-4-1 minimum at matchpoints. That's why partner will rebid 3♠ with three of them over 2NT; he's got extras and will accept the invite. I, as "partner," will bid 2♠ at my second turn with three spades, rather than 2♦; not 3♠ at my third turn over 2NT on the given auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 This one's easy: 2NT. Pard will bid 3♠ on the way to 3NT if he's got 3 cards. I'd be inclined to rebid 2♠ as opener with a 3-5-4-1 minimum at matchpoints. That's why partner will rebid 3♠ with three of them over 2NT; he's got extras and will accept the invite. I, as "partner," will bid 2♠ at my second turn with three spades, rather than 2♦; not 3♠ at my third turn over 2NT on the given auction. So would I, with a minimum. With extras, I would rebid 2♦ and support spades next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 All my cards look to be working well here. I don't mind forcing to game on this one: 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 2♥ for me, willing to miss some games in order to often play the best partscore. I am not as optimistic about missing my 26 HCP games as Adam, but this is still my choice. 3♦ puzzles me at matchpoints. Josh, did you see the form of scoring? I think the losses from 3♦ on our partscores are too great to seriously consider this call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 3 ♣, soemtimes you have to make game with 12 opps. 11 HCPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 2NT, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 2♥ for me, willing to miss some games in order to often play the best partscore. I am not as optimistic about missing my 26 HCP games as Adam, but this is still my choice. 3♦ puzzles me at matchpoints. Josh, did you see the form of scoring? I think the losses from 3♦ on our partscores are too great to seriously consider this call. Games score well at mps too! I actually would prefer 3♥ except that it essentially precludes 3NT, which is too big of a loss for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 3D or 3H for me. I've got some cool cards. I'd probably end up choosing 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 2♥ P may open with Rule of 20.♠Jx ♥ AJTXX ♦ QTXX ♣ KX or ♠Qx ♥ AJTXX ♦ QTXX ♣ KJ I am not willing to try a game if I find that collections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa8xxxhqxdajxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MPOpponents silent. 3♣ (4SF) would be forcing to game. [/hv] If playing with a good , long term, partner in general, I really want to know what a minimum game force hand by responder looks like. Yes, I can always upgrade or downgrade based on fit, just let me know what a minimum game force hand looks like in general. 2h if partner opens lite3c if partner opens sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted December 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa8xxxhqxdajxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MPOpponents silent. 3♣ (4SF) would be forcing to game. [/hv] If playing with a good , long term, partner in general, I really want to know what a minimum game force hand by responder looks like. Yes, I can always upgrade or downgrade based on fit, just let me know what a minimum game force hand looks like in general. 2h if partner opens lite3c if partner opens sound. Your partner probably opens something like 85% of her 12-point hands and 15% of her 11-point hands, using reasonable judgment to evaluate them based on intermediates, distribution, and prime values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 As you would bid 2H with the AJ of D removes, 2H cannot be the right bid now. I will bid 3H on this - yes, I know that is not ideal, but I prefer this to 2NT or 3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 3♣ for me. Yes, a small overbid, but nothing else is attractive, and this is likely to get us to the best strain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa8xxxhqxdajxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MPOpponents silent. 3♣ (4SF) would be forcing to game. [/hv] If playing with a good , long term, partner in general, I really want to know what a minimum game force hand by responder looks like. Yes, I can always upgrade or downgrade based on fit, just let me know what a minimum game force hand looks like in general. 2h if partner opens lite3c if partner opens sound. Your partner probably opens something like 85% of her 12-point hands and 15% of her 11-point hands, using reasonable judgment to evaluate them based on intermediates, distribution, and prime values. ok, I understand partners who open 99% 11 points and often ten and nine....I understand passing 13 often in first and second seat.... The rest confuses me.....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 ok, I understand partners who open 99% 11 points and often ten and nine....I understand passing 13 often in first and second seat.... The rest confuses me.....:) Right, the 1% of 1% on each end of the spectrum of heavy and light openers is a piece of cake. But anything that even resembles normalcy is too confusing to handle.... Mike, you are saying if partner is a light opener you will make a minimum (approx. 6-9) range rebid, and if partner is a sound opener you will make a game forcing (approx. 13+) rebid, but anything else confuses you? Might I recommend you make a bid on the range that exists in between your two choices! I call that range "invitational", and it offers you at least three plausible options on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 ok, I understand partners who open 99% 11 points and often ten and nine....I understand passing 13 often in first and second seat.... The rest confuses me.....:) Right, the 1% of 1% on each end of the spectrum of heavy and light openers is a piece of cake. But anything that even resembles normalcy is too confusing to handle.... Mike, you are saying if partner is a light opener you will make a minimum (approx. 6-9) range rebid, and if partner is a sound opener you will make a game forcing (approx. 13+) rebid, but anything else confuses you? Might I recommend you make a bid on the range that exists in between your two choices! I call that range "invitational", and it offers you at least three plausible options on this hand. jdonn My response was honest...I am not trying to trick or insult other players. Btw your posts are often helpful.1) if lite responder can have 11 points2) if sound i force to game on this hand.3) if other I may not get this hand best Even after several years on bbo forums.....these responsive hands seem very hard......see other responses...but in any case...they are hard for me...so I assume...case one or case two......online bbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 For me the choice is between the 3C overbid and the 3H invite. 2NT on this hand doesn't seem right and 2H is way too deep. The 3H invite is not flexible but it is right on values and if we had to pick a strain right now then it would be hearts for sure. 3D can't be right at MPs either can it? At IMPs I'd bid 3C to make the chance of getting to the right game as large as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 if 3H isnt forcing its my bid. If not ill bid a truly ugly 2Nt. I think bidding 2Nt without a stopper is so lame but if 3H if forcing im stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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