gwnn Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 You deal at favorable imps xJTxxxKQT8xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Pass, and see what happens. Yes, it might go p-(1♠)-p-(4♠). However, look at the hand. Everything is breaking badly for opponents? Who says they're making anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 The hobgoblin of small minds rears its ugly head again mark me down for 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 3NT. I am one of the "I have a great? gadget here" voters. Good pre-empt in a minor. Good = good suit first of all. 4♣ would be a bad pre-empt. This hand is too good for that. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Pass, partner can still open 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMor Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I won't pass "favorable at IMPS". Either 3♣ or 4♣, no strong preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Gerber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 4♣ is very obvious to me. This is why vulnerability exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Pass, and see what happens. Yes, it might go p-(1♠)-p-(4♠). However, look at the hand. Everything is breaking badly for opponents? Who says they're making anything? Are you seriously suggesting that you will pass 4S here? That's amazing. Direct 4C for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Another 4-clubber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 4C for me. If things are going to break badly, why not make them guess at the 4 level e.g. 4C (4S) X and collect 1100 or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hefaistos Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I have no problem with 3cl, but would choose 4cl fav at imps. It can gain a lot and causes massive problems for opps no matter if the hand belongs to them or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 love 4♣! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 4♣. 4m is probably the best preempt you've got in your arsenal for making it hard for opps. So use it when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Can I change my vote? You all have convinced me to open 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardf10987 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Just because everyone love 4♣, let's me speak about a different point of view. 1) Obviously I'm not sure how points are divided, but it's more normal (I presume) they will be (near) 11-11-11. So normally "someone" have a partial to play. Not game.2) Why they shoud pay 1100? Let's think about a more normal 2 off3) Why p should double? Yes..he will double with a stack of trumps... but it's a correct hope?4) Opening 4♣ make impossible for us to play 3NT (Lapalice dixit) No..No... I'm not hoping to play in ♥, because my idea is to open 3♣... my bet is for a normal and ordinary 3NT...yes...yes... this is the reason I'm lacking kibitzer when I play... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 4) Opening 4♣ make impossible for us to play 3NT (Lapalice dixit) Hoping for 3NT is a long shot when I have an ace-less hand with two singletons. I am happy to give up on that possibility to make life difficult for the opponents often and occasionally for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I would like to join in Cascade's objections to your reasoning. Let's take your example the the other players average 11-11-11. True, but... - If your partner is much better than that, he probably has an easy raise to game.- If your partner is worse and your LHO or RHO is better, the opponents probably have a game so you want to preempt them as much as possible.- If one of your opponents is worse and one is better then the better hand may act and get his side into deep trouble.- Even if the strength is about even between the other players, you have good chances to make 4♣, or have it be a cheap save against something they can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Gerber for me also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 they won't find 3N over my 4♣ opening. Maybe they'll find their other game(s), or maybe they won't. One way to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=skxhaxxxdjxxxcaxx&w=sxxxhqxdaqxxxcjxx&e=saqjtxxxhkxxdktxc&s=sxhjtxxdxckqt8xxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] One table: 3♣-p-3NT-4♠-end Other table 3♣-p-3NT-4♠p-p-5♣-pp-5♠-p-p6♣-doubled by someone Seems to me East probably has an uneasy pass over 4♣-p-5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think East has an uneasy 5♠ bid over 4♣-P-5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadie3 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think the South club bidders are "resulting" and it borders on malicious. They are lucky that their North partner has a good hand. In a normal bidding sequence, isn't North going to open? ...and isn't South now going to bid the clubs vigorously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think the South club bidders are "resulting" and it borders on malicious. They are lucky that their North partner has a good hand. In a normal bidding sequence, isn't North going to open? ...and isn't South now going to bid the clubs vigorously? Resulting is when you're influenced by knowing the hand and what is "right".I believe none of the 4♣ openers had any idea about the whole hand, and bid what they meant was the correct bid with this hand. I surely did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 As all gave there vote before they saw the hand, there was surely no resulting. It should be no difference on this hand anyway, I doubt that E/W will find 6 Spade, even undisturbed, so you must find the 6 Club safe or defend 5 Spade for an average board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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