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[hv=d=e&v=n&s=s5hqdaq9532ckt854]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

3 Pass Pass 3NT

Pass Pass 4 Dbl

Pass ?

 

1. Agree with first pass?

2. Agree with second pass?

3. Now what?

 

EDIT changed 1156 to 1165 hope it makes no difference.

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[hv=d=e&v=n&s=s5hqdaq9532ckt854]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

3 Pass Pass 3NT

Pass Pass 4 Dbl

Pass ?

 

1. Agree with first pass?

2. Agree with second pass?

3. Now what?

 

EDIT changed 1156 to 1165 hope it makes no difference.

Let me add a question:

If partner passes over 4S iso DBL, is it forcing?

- If pass would have been forcing then I pass now.

- If pass would not have been forcing then I think that I also pass, but much less confident. (some days I will bid 4NT).

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1. Agree with first pass.

2. Disagree with second pass in principle, but if there are no agreements in place then who knows what to do?

3. Impossible to answer without knowing if we have agreed whether we are in a forcing pass situation after 3NT. It makes a gigantic difference to the meaning of partner's double.

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To all the 4NT bidders: Do you think this is choice of minors, or do you think this is natural?

both ;)

 

I think that I should have made a try with 4 one round earlier.

So 4 NT now should be natural, because I had a chance to show the twosuiter before AND it could be natural anyways.

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3. Impossible to answer without knowing if we have agreed whether we are in a forcing pass situation after 3NT. It makes a gigantic difference to the meaning of partner's double.

 

No agreements in place, but why should this pass be forcing in the first place? Who knows why partner bid 3NT?

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yes

 

no. too good a chance for a minor suit slam. bid 4 and P should work it out.

 

having decided (wrongly, IMO) in the previous round of bidding that I wasn't good enough for a slam try, about all I can do now is bid 4NT. To me this is just natural and competitive, showing some cards. If I wanted to show shape, I should have done it the round before.

 

also, once p bids 3NT, we are in a forcing pass situation. B)

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I feel like we have this discussion quite often...

 

In any case if pass is not forcing then partner's double shows a very good hand, and I pull to 5NT.

 

Me too, but having a simple decision if pass is forcing or not is not a simple thing... Does anyone have a limited set of rules?

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I feel like we have this discussion quite often...

 

In any case if pass is not forcing then partner's double shows a very good hand, and I pull to 5NT.

 

Me too, but having a simple decision if pass is forcing or not is not a simple thing... Does anyone have a limited set of rules?

 

FYI, partner had:

 

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sj3ha7dkj4caqj962]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

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I feel like we have this discussion quite often...

 

In any case if pass is not forcing then partner's double shows a very good hand, and I pull to 5NT.

 

Me too, but having a simple decision if pass is forcing or not is not a simple thing... Does anyone have a limited set of rules?

 

FYI, partner had:

 

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sj3ha7dkj4cakj962]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

You had:

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sj3ha7dkj4cakj962]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

How can both of you have the K of ?

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I feel like we have this discussion quite often...

 

In any case if pass is not forcing then partner's double shows a very good hand, and I pull to 5NT.

 

Me too, but having a simple decision if pass is forcing or not is not a simple thing... Does anyone have a limited set of rules?

 

FYI, partner had:

 

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sj3ha7dkj4caqj962]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

So partner's double only makes sense if...if.... his pass would be forcing :) So I'm glad my misunderstanding seems to have gotten me to slam.

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