JRG Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 BTW this is a corrollary to my question on asking to say WHAT languages you can understand on profile for which I was vilified :blink: I don't remember seeing your post about this. I think it would be nice if there was a easy way for people to indicate in their profiles which languages they can understand -- perhaps with an indication of "Fluent", "Can Understand", or "A Little". By "easy way", I mean having a list from which to select and not having a text field that people can expropriate to indicate they play the Canary Club system or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 I dont think language problems is a hard problem here. The rules we are discussing are nothing else but standards in all cultures for how to behave. Those violating such have more basic problems and ought to deal with that themselves. I think all young people today have learned english. For those people with hard language problems there are web-sites for bridge play in english, danish, dutch, chinese, spanish and maybe more. The poles with hard problems in english you will normally be able to contact in german or russian. Those romanians, maybe also bulgarians, with hard problems in english you will normally be able to contact in french. For the poles and the italians there are specialized BBO web-sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Think you'll have more luck with the bulgarians in russian or polish rather than french. Bulgarians are slavs, romanians are latins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdmundB Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Instead of attempting to control the behavior of people who have signed up for a tournament, just assign a symbol to that player's ID, so people will know in advance that the player is going to zip out. Then the table can decide what to do. Unacceptable and restricted acc. to BBO rules for decent behavior. Leaving a table in the middle of a game is a major offence acc. to rules. No mercy for the rude people will be the message. OK, consider delaying zip-off to tournaments until the end of the hand (or being dummy.) It's not like the first few seconds of a tournament are that productive, what with all the TD's screaming at the top of their keyboards. (yes, this could have problems, too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 BTW this is a corrollary to my question on asking to say WHAT languages you can understand on profile for which I was vilified :) I don't remember seeing your post about this. I think it would be nice if there was a easy way for people to indicate in their profiles which languages they can understand -- perhaps with an indication of "Fluent", "Can Understand", or "A Little". By "easy way", I mean having a list from which to select and not having a text field that people can expropriate to indicate they play the Canary Club system or some such.The original question was in "Suggestion for the software" posted April 26 2004 @9.32 PM AND I believe you have been the ONE person who answered my question with something other than NASTY comments B) - even though you MISSED the question :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Edmund, think you're right on the money. Not sure about how difficult could be to implement though. Even then, what to do with people who left to table in middle to be moved to the tourney faster? I'd put automatic A- in the first board, maybe plus another punishment. But I see no easy way when people leave BBO just to be put in tourney table when coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 OK, consider delaying zip-off to tournaments until the end of the hand (or being dummy.) It's not like the first few seconds of a tournament are that productive, what with all the TD's screaming at the top of their keyboards. OK, consider delaying zip-off to tournaments until the end of the hand (or being dummy.) It's not like the first few seconds of a tournament are that productiveEdmund I agree with Gerardo - your solution will be in accordance to the rules. They will still not be welcome at my tables as they don't intend to play bridge with me but somebody else. what with all the TD's screaming at the top of their keyboardsBe sure - they will need to find new ways themselves. Maybe a childrengarden like 'Casual Bridge' will be the spot. But I see no easy way when people leave BBO just to be put in tourney table when coming back But I see no easy way when people leave BBOTo be reported for serious violating the rules. I do so. just to be put in tourney table when coming backWhat to do coming back is of no concern to the rules I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Well it's been done. Will this apply to private / public clubs as well, or only the main bridge club? I feel I might have to cut down the number of tournaments I play in as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 All tables, everywhere. Lets see how it goes. As the discussions to date have claimed, leaving a table after a board or two is disconcerting and sometimes irritating to the opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallway Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Will this mean that my members will not be able to meet up in the BIL and have a practice together before the start of a lesson 'tourney' UNLESS they make a point of being at a table 16 + minutes before the scheduled start time ? If that is so , I presume that they can get around that by not registering until I send out the 5 minute warning ? Thank goodness we only have tourneys with a few tables - could become a stampede ! - lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Correct, M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdmundB Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 It would be a shame if BBO organized itself around that kind of philosophy. A "tournament countdown timer." visible to all at the table -- would more than suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 This is not a central aspect of our site :> But, i'll say this much - - we're experimenting with this. If it seems positive or maybe even neutral we'll extend it. - approximately 2/3 of all our bridge is still played at non-tourney/team tables. - FG & I feel that this is a form of table-bailing - Someday, when we figure out how, we'll crack down on table-bailing in all its forms, not just this one variant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdmundB Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I suppose you could keep track of average hands / partial hands played per table appearance. EDIT follows: In the MBC. I play a lot of individual tournaments, where it's natural to play only one board per partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I tried average number of hands played per partner... did this to check on people who leave after a hand or two. Two players i checked averaged less than 2 boards per partner... i tried to not count obvious individual events. A neat parameter... that can be harvested from myhands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 To me it looks like the focus about this topic has already helped something. At my tables the table description may also have done something good. I therefore have decided only to report persons who additionally have made rude comments. Those sucked into tourney I dont report as I think it will not be right to ask Uday handling individual cases as he is trying to find good ways to solve the general problem. I appreciate very much the seriousity on these matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Maybe when I have a bunch of regular partners, I'll want to play in the MBC for long periods. For the most part, I find it rude and confusing, but then I am a newbie. It's very difficult for me to find a decent partner- I hold my cursor over a name, and when a new table opens the name jumps, so I don't get to read it. Figuring out the rules for tables is even tougher. Me, I don't get the rudeness angle. Either you're looking for new partners, or you aren't. If you are, then you should be happy when somebody's rude, because it eliminates them as a potential partner. If you aren't, your table should be locked, and you shouldn't be taking new people. So why think of dire punishments for people you consider rude? When I do brave the MBC, I find for the most part that I get lectured on the craziest things, even when it's clear to me the bidding and play are correct but the result isn't good because of unlikely splits. And with those partners I split after a couple of hands, though never in the middle of one. I'm sure I'm on their enemies list, and that's a good thing. But why give those people the possibility of punishing me? Rudeness punishes itself. With very few exceptions (like cursing), why is there a need to make rules on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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