Hanoi5 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 [hv=s=s65hqjtdj5ckqjt96]133|100|[/hv] It goes: Pd You1♠ 1NT2♦ ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I vote a slightly heavy 3♣, at which is at least the only contract I'm pretty confident will make if partner is minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Roger that. Let me just add the lack of controls might sink 3NT and that advises taking the cautious route.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 What if partner's 2♦ promises at least 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 3♣, my hand is probably worth most in ♣... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 According to the Mike Lawrence version of 2/1 the bid to make is not 1NT but 3♣ and invitational jump shift showing this hand. (This assumes you are not using Bergen raises). In Mikes version of 2/1 if you bid 3♣ now pard will assume you are weak and pass. Bidding 2NT shows 11-12 or a great 10. Maybe you have a great 10 because of the club length and quality. And you have the heart stopper. We have misbid, so are stuck, I will guess to bid 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I say 3♣ as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadie3 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Most of the time, my 2/1 pards will bid 2C, so the 2D bid is warning me against bidding 3C. I think there is a good chance to make 2 or even 3S and I opt for the 2S minimum bid. In IMPs, I might bid 3C, but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 If partner does not have the club A (or has stiff club A) 3NT won't make. There are hands that 3NT will make, eg Axxxx xx Axxx Ax, but I think it's odds-against. I bid 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I would bid 3♣ at IMPs and 2♠ at matchpoints. Edit: Han berated me until I admitted I was wrong. 3♣ always now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I agree with han. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 What if partner's 2♦ promises at least 4? So what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 2Nt. but at MP ill bid 2S. 3C will probably be a better contract then 2Nt because partner is likely to be 5341 but still i prefer to make at least a foward move toward game. Tough hand well worth a simulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I didn't berate Roger, I showed him my simulation results. With the simple constraints I used 3C was better than 2S at MPs about half the time, and equal and worse each one quarter of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I hate a 2♠ call here with two small since 3♣ seems to be a lot better partial with that suit that can play opposite a void. I am torn between 3♣ which even though you call it a s/off may get us to 3NT if PD has a max, and 2NT which may get us to 3NT or may get hurt if opener can not use my ♣. At MP I'd bid 3♣ and at imps I have no real preference between 3♣ and 2NT but would opt for 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 3♣ is clear cut to me. It will be the best partial more often than not and will get us to 3NT when it is right more often than 2NT: partner will bid it with extras and a club fit, but will pass with a stiff club even when very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 3♣ seems blindingly obvious to me. We might miss a game on occasion but rate to find the superior partscore. Still might get to game after 3♣ on some hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 3♣ seems blindingly obvious to me. We might miss a game on occasion but rate to find the superior partscore. Still might get to game after 3♣ on some hands.I agree that 3♣ is obvious, but I think you are dreaming if you think that we are going to reach many games after this... I think he'll need to be 5=1=4=3 for this to happen... usually, we'll be a lot weaker than this maximum... in std bidding (including 2/1) we'd bid 3♣ on x xxx xxx KQJxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobElliott Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I would bid 3!c the first time (ALL jumps are Inv'l.)....IMO BERGEN RAISES ARE OVERRATED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I would bid 3!c the first time (ALL jumps are Inv'l.)....IMO BERGEN RAISES ARE OVERRATED yeah, they rather.. huh.. suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3for3 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Count me as a 3 club bidder now, or originally if available. I don't like Bergen Raises for just this reason; the price they pay is too high. They do work fine when they come up, though Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 3♣ seems blindingly obvious to me. We might miss a game on occasion but rate to find the superior partscore. Still might get to game after 3♣ on some hands.I agree that 3♣ is obvious, but I think you are dreaming if you think that we are going to reach many games after this... I think he'll need to be 5=1=4=3 for this to happen... usually, we'll be a lot weaker than this maximum... in std bidding (including 2/1) we'd bid 3♣ on x xxx xxx KQJxxx I don't expect that to happen often, that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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