awm Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Suppose you hold a 3334 19-count, say: ♠Kxx ♥AJx ♦AQx ♣KQxx You open a natural 1♣ and LHO bids 2♠, which passes back to you. What's your plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 2N shows this for me. Not crazy about it with a single stop and no trick source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 2NT seems perfectly normal, even without the stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 I would pass for sure on such a featureless hand. Even with game values I think game would go down often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Pass. It wouldn't surprise me at all if 2NT were whacked and went for a number. You really don't have a source of tricks on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Who should be able to bid a pen. double against our possible 2 NT now? But the risk for a zillion undoubled undertricks is bad enough, anyway. But okay, I bid 2 NT. Maybe pd surprises me with Kxxxxx in diamonds or Axxxx in clubs and we make even 3 NT while you are defending and hope for 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Who should be able to bid a pen. double against our possible 2 NT now? RHO with a decent hand and spade shortness? Btw, aren't we all bidding 2N with 4♦/6♣ hands here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 2NT is certainly natural, but I don't think it shows a 3334 19-count, rather (roughly) a hand that was going to rebid 3NT with a spade stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Probably unhappy pass. Partner couldn't bid with a ♠ shortness, that spells trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 2NT is certainly natural, but I don't think it shows a 3334 19-count, rather (roughly) a hand that was going to rebid 3NT with a spade stop. Hmm true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Impossible to choose between pass and double without knowing the vulnerability (and less important, form of scoring). Would double when all white, would pass when all red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 2NT is certainly natural, but I don't think it shows a 3334 19-count, rather (roughly) a hand that was going to rebid 3NT with a spade stop. Actually that's not quite true, that hand probably just bids 3NT now.A similar hand but not quite as strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Who should be able to bid a pen. double against our possible 2 NT now? RHO with a decent hand and spade shortness? Btw, aren't we all bidding 2N with 4♦/6♣ hands here? Do you belive that rho looks at x,KQxx,KJxx,AJxx? Or what is the worst holding he is doubling with? BTW for me 2 NT had shown a 6/4 hand or similar, but I doubt that this is played without discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 2NT although it seems to look ugly always seems to work well in these situations. Sometimes you have a game on and with a weak hand with a long suit partner can run to three of that suit. I'm not sure why some expect to be doubled for a number, since you hold nearly half the deck, and LHO has shown a weak hand it rates to be your hand, and even when it's right to double most of the time RHO won't be in a position to wield the axe. I don't understand double that is asking to play in 3 of a suit when 2NT/3NT is right and I don't see any advantage in it compared to 2NT since we can hardly expect partner to be passing for penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 2N shows 18-19 balanced to me or the equivalent. I really hate passing out 2S with that hand, partner can easily have 7-8 points, and could have some 9 counts. Also totally disagree that 2N would show 4-6, I really feel strongly that you have to balance with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Passing this out is kinda tough. With random scattered values from partner might see us make 8 or 9 tricks on power and hooks against rho. So an inkling and a bit unhappy 2NT for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de_sweetie Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 unwillingly pass this hand.. :o pessimistic whether there is game or just nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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