Raise?

[Cascade]

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=sj852h10dkj97653c5]133|100|Scoring: MP

Pass (1♠) Dbl (Pass)

2♦ (4♠) 5♦ (Pass)

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Partner is competent.

 

LHO is a reasonable club player. RHO is weak.

[655321]

Agree with the initial Pass.

 

Disagree with 2♦, prefer 3♦.

[kenrexford]

Huh?

 

I pass first seat, which is OK, and then I only bid 2♦, which is sick, and then partner bids 5♦ on his own?!?!?

[jdonn]

Even though I have a guess now I don't mind the earlier choices. I'll bid 6♦ now, which completely goes against all the principles I'm always railing about but I can't help myself :)

 

Edit: Oh wait saw the auction wrong, I thought spades was raised! This is very different, I pass.

[effervesce]

The 1♠ opener has at least 7 spades, probably 8. Partner is almost certain to have a singleton/void spades. What can partner's hand be?

 

x

Axxx

AQT8

Axxx

 

and slam is good, and that is nowhere near a 5♦ bid.

 

If partner has a singleton spade, with extra values, surely partner can make another X. Partner is very likely to be void spades, and if not, holding a singleton spade will have a rock crusher.

 

I raise to 6♦. They may make the wrong lead in any case, allowing a losing heart (or club) to be pitched on the other suit.

 

I won't be surprised if 7♦ is cold either. I'm tempted to bid 5♠ as a grand slam try given my previous bidding. Partner certainly doesnt expect you to have such a good hand.

[Codo]

It's really close.

5 Diamond is often no good spot at mps, so bidding 6 is tempting.

But Pd may look at Kx, KQJx,Qxxxx,KQJx and we are -2 already... ;)

 

Okay, this is more then unlikely, but couldn't he bid 5 Diamond with

x, KQJx,AQxx,AKQJ? Is this more or less likely then V-Axxx,AQxxx,Axxx where

a grand slam has play?

 

Put me down for pass, taking the plus.

 

I have no problems with my bidding so far, but I had bid 3 Diamond, not just 2.

[OleBerg]

Would have preferred 3♦, but that requires partnership agreement/understanding, so 2♦ is ok.

 

I pass now, partner has to have to many perfect values. But of course slam can be laydown.

[gnasher]

Even opposite a 21st Century takeout double this was worth at least 3♦ on the previous round.

 

If 4♠ had come back to me, I would have bid 5♦ myself, with some hope of making it. Partner has now bid the the five level himself opposite what might have been a 4342 Yarborough, so it's time to admit that my earlier evaluation was incorrect and bid 6♦.

[rogerclee]

Passing would be unreal bad. Partner has forced to 5D red/white and we have this lol. I am definitely worried about missing 7 but it happens.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

 

Since I dont play a 2D weak two, pass is fine.

I can live with 2D as a response to the t/o as

well, 3D would promise to much high cards,

and given my length, it is more likely partner

is sitting on a strong 1-suiter.

 

And I will pass now, no reason to start guessing.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Cascade]

How strong do you think partner would need to be to bid 6♦ himself?

[gnasher]

How strong do you think partner would need to be to bid 6♦ himself?

Absolutely enormous, especially as he has neither the king nor the jack of diamonds. We haven't promised anything at all, so he'd need something like

   A AKQx AQ10xx AKQ

or

   - AKQ AQ10xx AKQxx.

[Finch]

I would raise now, but as gnasher says this is just admitting that the previous 2D bid was a grotesque misevaluation.

 

I cannot conceive a hand that has a real 2D bid last round that raises now.

[Codo]

How strong do you think partner would need to be to bid 6♦ himself?

Absolutely enormous, especially as he has neither the king nor the jack of diamonds. We haven't promised anything at all, so he'd need something like

   A AKQx AQ10xx AKQ

or

   - AKQ AQ10xx AKQxx.

I think he has exactly one slow trick less then this.

[han]

Agree that passing now is inconceivable. It must be tough to consider a hand for partner that is a normal 5D bid but where 6D is bad?

[keylime]

6♦ has so much value to it, that I may have bid 5♦ at my first turn!

[jdonn]

I thought about it more and was mocked a little by Justin. I want to change my vote to 6♦, in fact not only could we have a grand but partner may even be able to bid it.

 

I still don't mind earlier bidding.

 

I accept full blame for passing the first time around. Even if partner somehow has two spades they probably can't lead them and I still expect to make.

[655321]

Even if partner somehow has two spades they probably can't lead them

Say what?

[han]

Let's all mock Josh some more.

[jdonn]

Let's all mock Josh some more.

***** I earned that one. Maybe I should pass after all, I'm going to be the one playing it!

[whereagles]

Obvious 3♦ opener, but ok.

 

Now 6♦, of course. I got about 7 tricks more than I promised....

[cherdano]

I don't think 2♦ was completely silly. If partner has a double-and-bid hand with no great diamond fit, then 3♦ obviously overstates the value of our hand. With us having 5hcp and RHO passing, there is a good chance that this is what partner has.

(Who could know that partner had a double-and-bid-diamonds hand!)

[Cascade]

A diverse range of opinions. Especially about the earlier bidding.

 

It is easy to see how 3♦ can work out badly - partner bids 3♥ which is now forcing and we are uncomfortably high without any safety - the ♠ Jxxx are a big turn-off if we don't have a decent diamond fit.

 

Along with this it is almost certain on this auctiont that we will get another bid. We have only five hcp and our RHO passed so most often LHO and partner are sharing 30 or so hcp between them.

 

Of course the actual auction is not one we would expect.

[effervesce]

Out of interest, what would a double of 4♠ by partner instead of bidding 5♦ be? Extras certainly, but what kind of hand. A double-then bid type hand with a misfit for diamonds? Or just optional?

Is x KQJx AQxx AKQJ a double or a 5♦ call?

[kenrexford]

If I bid 3♦ the first time, and partner bids 3♥, I'm tickled that partner will have a friggin' huge dummy for me when I bid 4♦. WTP?

 

Also, to Josh: WTF?!?!? LOL