Online Chess & Bridge Analyse softwares

[cherdano]

But orders of magnitude of higher effort does not mean orders of magnitude of more progress.

 

For current go programs, a magnitude of additional processing power only leads to small incremental increases in playing strength. The main advantage of deep blue compared to chess programs at that time was its big processing power; its logic wasn't that superior. I don't know how many programmers Deep Blue had, but I can hardly imagine more than a dozen of them being useful.

 

So there is good evidence that the approach of IBM and deep blue won't work for go.

 

[i sort of know what I am talking about since I am 4d in go, and have been part of the GNU go team for a couple of years.]

[H_KARLUK]

Right now I am a little confused.

 

I am happy. Why ? Because matured gentlemen quoted their polite and intellectual thoughts. *

 

I am unhappy. Why ? My each esteemed forum mates here seems to forgot "Solid geometry" (outer space geometry) which is definitely harder than chess, bridge and anything in this planet.

 

How on the earth "Eagle" landed Moon? Anyone remembers date ? Were we living comfortably in our private lives like today?

 

It was the real victory of united human brains. Used electronics and software tools successfully.

 

Let me amend : The Outer space rules are not alike the geography we live! To gain any small success here is what you need :

 

YOU HAVE TO HIT THE RIGHT KEYS WITH ULTRA EXCELLENT "TIMING" !

 

In past for only " - " command placed wrong line in the subprogram a nation lost billion dollars and some honorable lives.

 

That success developed. Never stopped. Nowadays scientists examine other planets in the space.

 

That day i took th point : "If WE love enough nothing is impossible !"

 

Regards

Hamdi

 

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*(except by a very poor negative one who obviously feel "it"self happy and proud of to be "imaginary abrasive" about the issues never had an idea; my piece of advice is to visit nearest therapist a.s.a.p. and get a life with some quick solutions for ASPD)

** My sincere apologies for other members abt "negative impression"

[3for3]

The number of possible chess positions is increased by some huge amount of totally meaningless, impractical positions. After all, it is possible to have 6 queens on one side. If you eliminate all of the promotions, after which 99.99999 of all games are over, the number of real positions comes way down.

 

danny

[Lobowolf]

The number of possible chess positions is increased by some huge amount of totally meaningless, impractical positions. After all, it is possible to have 6 queens on one side. If you eliminate all of the promotions, after which 99.99999 of all games are over, the number of real positions comes way down.

 

danny

One of the reasons bridge is a better game.

[jdonn]

The number of possible chess positions is increased by some huge amount of totally meaningless, impractical positions.  After all, it is possible to have 6 queens on one side.  If you eliminate all of the promotions, after which 99.99999 of all games are over, the number of real positions comes way down.

 

danny

One of the reasons bridge is a better game.

You don't think bridge has any number of completely meaningless essentially impossible positions?

[Lobowolf]

The number of possible chess positions is increased by some huge amount of totally meaningless, impractical positions.  After all, it is possible to have 6 queens on one side.  If you eliminate all of the promotions, after which 99.99999 of all games are over, the number of real positions comes way down.

 

danny

One of the reasons bridge is a better game.

You don't think bridge has any number of completely meaningless essentially impossible positions?

No, I think that a vastly higher percentage of bridge situations are relevant.

 

To further (?) clarify, the "diversity" of chess is often extolled, and is usually expressed as a function of the number of possible positions, which is truly astronomical. However, an overwhelming percentage of those positions aren't remotely interesting. For instance, there are more than 100,000 position with king and rook vs. king. But so what? Either the rook is subject to capture or the weaker side is stalemated, in which case the game is a draw; or neither of these situations in the case, in which case it's a pedestrian win to anyone beyond a rank beginner. Change the rook to a knight, and you have more than 100,000 new positions, all of which are meaningless; it's a draw.

 

The "diversity" of bridge is usually expressed as a function of the number of possible deals; the vast majority of those deals ARE "interesting," either in the bidding, the play, or both.

[Lobowolf]

I don't think it's the main reason bridge is better; I think that has to do with the mathematical element, the psychological element, the inference-drawing, and the partnership element that bridge have, in addition to having in some situations the sequential algorithmic challenge that chess has.

 

But whatever the reason, I know a number of people who are good at both chess and bridge, and there's no contest as to which game they prefer.

[H_KARLUK]

Well,

 

I think it's a matter of "language". In other words "communication."

 

Long years ago when i was a student in University they taught us some "programming languages". Today, that root created better "software products". Because it's developed with new age technologies.

 

One more thing, I remember -as far as i followed th media in my society- , HUMANBEINGS sent messages to communicate with unknown civilisations. There MATH SYMBOLS widely used. We are able to listen and ANALYSE the UNIVERSE.

 

I do not think we are unable to solve even very hard bridge problems with the aid of Computers and Positive Science.

 

Aren't we created to fix "the hard" ? Don't we like it ?

 

That's why "cave age" ended. Today's simple things invented in those days : Fire, wheel etc etc.

 

No worries, we'll absolutely play with highly strong puters. Wow, pick a partner. I hope I'll live long to see that bright days.

 

For now our problem is "best use" of programming language in "bridge field". Sadly seems "chess fans" solved their trouble. Nice biz folks, congrats.

 

Thanks :)

 

Ps. I strongly wish that I misunderstood yr "Change the rook to a knight, and you have more than 100,000 new positions, all of which are meaningless; it's a draw." words dear Lobowolf.

 

To me 1-1 is better than 0-1 beaten. The one I got a half like my opposition, shortly we are even. But the other one is srry nothing.