Defence to a strong club

[jdonn]

I despise defenses that are something like conventional at 1 level natural at 2 level, or other way around, or different conventions on both. Say what you will about suction and its variants, but at least it lets you show both 1 and 2 suited hands on any level you want no matter what the suits.

[glen]

I despise defenses that are something like conventional at 1 level natural at 2 level, or other way around, or different conventions on both...

Do you mean your defensive despising for just big 1♣s or even for Polish 1♣s, or even standard 1♣s?

[jdonn]

I meant over strong club, it's not that relevent to me otherwise since I play very standard things.

[jtfanclub]

I despise defenses that are something like conventional at 1 level natural at 2 level, or other way around, or different conventions on both. Say what you will about suction and its variants, but at least it lets you show both 1 and 2 suited hands on any level you want no matter what the suits.

What is there to despise about having constructive bids be single-meaning and natural, while destructive bids are conventional and usually multi-meaning?

 

Would you despise an opening system where one of a suit was natural, but two of a suit is conventional, such as 2♣ strong, 2♦ Multi, 2M Muideburg?

 

Or is it just that you don't think that constructive bids are useful over a 1♣ opener?

[jdonn]

What is there to despise about having constructive bids be single-meaning and natural, while destructive bids are conventional and usually multi-meaning?

It has to do with the level. If I have spades I don't like my system saying I must bid them on the 1 or 3 level but I can't on the 2 level, for example.

 

Would you despise an opening system where one of a suit was natural, but two of a suit is conventional, such as 2♣ strong, 2♦ Multi, 2M Muideburg?

I dislike multi a lot, although I'm not sure why I even answer since you hopefully know your question is completely irrelevant. I said DEFENSES, as in DEFENSES TO A STRONG CLUB (which I even clarified in a later post).

 

Or is it just that you don't think that constructive bids are useful over a 1♣ opener?

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[jtfanclub]

I dislike multi a lot, although I'm not sure why I even answer since you hopefully know your question is completely irrelevant. I said DEFENSES, as in DEFENSES TO A STRONG CLUB (which I even clarified in a later post).

I understand that you're talking about responses, not openers. I'm sorry I wasn't clear about that.

 

After a 1 club opener, you have the same space you would if he'd passed. That's why I mentioned openers.

 

Let me give a specific example on point. Suppose that somebody were to propose this very simplistic defense to a Precision club:

 

1♦ Transfer to hearts, 12+ hcp

1♥ Transfer to spades, 12+ hcp

1♠ Transfer to a minor, 12+ hcp

2♣, 2♦, 2♥, 2♠: Natural, weak (pre-emptive).

 

Would you despise this, and if so why? It could be that I just don't understand where you're coming from here. Is it the possible confusion of the natural/conventional mix, or is it the inability to show a specific suit that you dislike? The Psycho Suction variant I proposed, for example (1♥ and 1♠ natural, 2 of a suit are natural or two-suited not including the suit bid) there's no level forbidden to you with a single suited hand, except bidding a minor at the 1 level.

 

I'm sorry that my question didn't come out well.

[jdonn]

Let me give a specific example on point.  Suppose that somebody were to propose this very simplistic defense to a Precision club:

 

1♦  Transfer to hearts, 12+ hcp

1♥  Transfer to spades, 12+ hcp

1♠  Transfer to a minor, 12+ hcp

2♣, 2♦, 2♥, 2♠:  Natural, weak (pre-emptive).

 

Would you despise this, and if so why?

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It has to do with the level. If I have spades I don't like my system saying I must bid them on the 1 or 3 level but I can't on the 2 level, for example.

[Wackojack]

Thanks I am a little wiser now but not much. Perhaps sometimes in order to please partners and not to seem a stick-in-the-mud, we agree to play conventions when natural methods are either just as good or better. Maybe Suction methods are superior. For me though, the jury is still out. Incidentally, I have agreed to play Suction defence to 1NT with one partner. It hasnt come up yet, and all I can say so far is that it should be fun when it does come up.