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Opponent dealt and opened 3C. Your call.  

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  1. 1. Opponent dealt and opened 3C. Your call.

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    • 3 Hearts
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    • 4 Hearts
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    • 4 Clubs
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This kind of hand has come up several times on the forums. As usual, 3 seems like the best call, since you have diamond shortness, and partner will routinely pass out 3 when you are cold for 4.

The opening bid was 3 not 3

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Pass. Don't pre-empt over a pre-empt. Who told me that?

I don't mean to pick on you, but I have seen this several times before on the forums. The advice to not preempt over a preempt doesn't mean, as you seem to think,

 

"don't bid over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

 

It means

 

"don't JUMP over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

 

It's not saying "pass on this hand", that is nothing more than a matter of judgment. It's saying "don't jump to 4 on this hand", because that would show a very good hand. Sorry if that was all wordy, but it's something I have seen a few times.

 

That being said, my judgment says 3 here and it's not that close.

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KJT86543

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KT

 

Nobody vulnerable, Dealer to your right opens 3 clubs.

 

Now what?

If I bid 3H with that hand, the next stop will be slam. I'm not sure partner would be able to read 4H as a weak jump shift. Maybe 3H or 4H will be the right thing to do but my partner still has a chance to call. I think pass is right because 3H promises a hand worth about 16 points. You shouldn't fool mother nature nor your partner.

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This kind of hand has come up several times on the forums. As usual, 3 seems like the best call, since you have diamond shortness, and partner will routinely pass out 3 when you are cold for 4.

The opening bid was 3 not 3

Ok, then it is marginally less clear, but I would still do it.

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Will I take more tricks with say:

Axx,KJTxxx,Jx, KJ then with the actual hand?

 

I doubt this, so my hand is worth a normal 3 Heart bid despite just 7 HCPS. But the seventh Heart is huge.

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KJT86543

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KT

 

Nobody vulnerable, Dealer to your right opens 3 clubs. 

 

Now what?

If I bid 3H with that hand, the next stop will be slam. I'm not sure partner would be able to read 4H as a weak jump shift. Maybe 3H or 4H will be the right thing to do but my partner still has a chance to call. I think pass is right because 3H promises a hand worth about 16 points. You shouldn't fool mother nature nor your partner.

I doubt that a 3H bid promises a hand worth 16HCP,

I would say a min. opener with 5 hearts is enough.

 

I would also bid 3H, the danger is of course, that

partner can and will I expect some defence, which

I dont have, thats why I will repeat the heart suit,

if partner suggest a penalty.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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May be I'm alone in this raisoning... but... when I bid, normally, it to make (or hoping to make) a game.

 

If I bid 3, does really p will give me four with stiff Q and AQ? Or with A and another ace?

 

Now suppose I bid 4 beeing wrong (as usual). What I will pay?

- 300? If they have game, it' fine

- 500? If they have game, it depends from scoring...

- My p will skyrocket me in a slam? Well... I have a lot of tricks facing aces... and... I always find Q :P

 

Okok... honestly... at the end, I'll probably bid 3 me too... :unsure:

 

But I'll admire all 4 bidders... :rolleyes:

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Pass.  Don't pre-empt over a pre-empt.  Who told me that?

I don't mean to pick on you, but I have seen this several times before on the forums. The advice to not preempt over a preempt doesn't mean, as you seem to think,

 

"don't bid over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

 

It means

 

"don't JUMP over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

Hmm, I always thought it meant the former. When partner bids over a preempt, I expect them to have values, not just shape.

 

If you bid with this hand as well as a full opener with a good suit, how is partner supposed to know what to do when he holds a good hand?

 

I guess you hope he'll get the picture when you keep correcting anything he does (including doubling the opponents) back to your suit. Let's just hope this happens before you reach the stratosphere.

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3 any day.

 

"If you bid with this hand as well as a full opener with a good suit, how is partner supposed to know what to do when he holds a good hand?"

 

pre-empts are intended to complicate your decision making. I would never blame partner for bidding 3 with that hand but I would be unhappy if he wussed out and passed..

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