the hog Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Imps, all vul [hv=n=sqjtxxhaxdkt9xxcx&w=sxxhkqjxxdaxxxcxx&e=skht9xxdxxcakjtxx&s=saxxxxhxxdqjcqxxx]399|300|[/hv] (1S) 1N (4S) 5H(5S) K of C led followed by a H switch. +100, the datum -440 Before you criticise the 5S bid too much; this was made by a former National representative. His comment to his partner was that at the 5 level he did not know who was making what and his hand shape strongly suggested a 5S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Imps, all vul [hv=n=sqjtxxhaxdkt9xxcx&w=sxxhkqjxxdaxxxcxx&e=skht9xxdxxcakjtxx&s=saxxxxhxxdqjcqxxx]399|300|[/hv] (1S) 1N (4S) 5H(5S) K of C led followed by a H switch. +100, the datum -440 Before you criticise the 5S bid too much; this was made by a former National representative. His comment to his partner was that at the 5 level he did not know who was making what and his hand shape strongly suggested a 5S bid. I wouldnt blame the 5sp bidder i think he got his bid, the 4sp is more of a question since his hand isnt too ofensive, the A of spade and Qs of minors are defensive values, and doublton heart isnt good either, maybe its better to bid this as a 4 card supprt at the 3 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 What is this post about? I don´t know what -440 datum means sorry. BTW agree with flame, 5♠ is a good bid, just unlucky today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 5 Level is for the opps. But I have a little bit of a problem with the 4♠ bid, think it is too strong. I would bid 3♥ as a 4 card limit raise. Not perfect I agree, but 4 ♠ is less perfect. And playing with a pd who opens light or agressive, maybe using ZAR, I have to keep that in mind. But the 1 NT overcall sure made life harder. Mike :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 What is this post about? I don´t know what -440 datum means sorry. BTW agree with flame, 5♠ is a good bid, just unlucky today. I love raptor. Yes, 5♠ was not a bad bid. The question is was 4♠ the right bid? With five ♠'s, a jump to 4♠ is not too much of an overbid. It is true, the hand is just worth an invite to 4♠ however. But poor North, looking at what is likey only one or two defensive tricks and hearing an agruably could be very weak raise to 4♠, is looking at a situation where five of either major may make (exchange ♠A and ♠K). What I think Ron means by datum, is that when a lot of pairs played this hand, roughly the average result for EW was minus 440. A lot of this was 4♠NS making four (-620), some no doubt was 5♥X down one (-200), and a few, like here NS pushed too far and went off one in 5♠ +100. South would have been better suited to show a limit raise of ♠, then accept being pushed to game. That way, north would have been in the position to beforced to double 5♥ because a "forcing pass" might get him to 6♠. And since his partner's "limit raise" would promise some values, he would not be so quick to try to defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 What I think Ron means by datum, is that when a lot of pairs played this hand, roughly the average result for EW was minus 440. A lot of this was 4♠NS making four (-620), some no doubt was 5♥X down one (-200), and a few, like here NS pushed too far and went off one in 5♠ +100. Ben is correct in his comments here Fluffy. We always publish the datums so that in an imped pairs event you can see how you did against the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 This hand has nothing to do with raptor, a natural overcall of 2H will reach same contract most of the time. whether raptor is a good convention is another issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 This hand has nothing to do with raptor, a natural overcall of 2H will reach same contract most of the time. whether raptor is a good convention is another issue. Would you really make a natural overcall of 2♥ on four hearts to the 10? Your bid would be 2♣ and by the time your partner gets to bid, the bidding will be at 4♠, so he has no chance to overcall 2♥ on his lovely ♥suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 This hand has nothing to do with raptor, a natural overcall of 2H will reach same contract most of the time. whether raptor is a good convention is another issue. Would you really make a natural overcall of 2♥ on four hearts to the 10? Your bid would be 2♣ and by the time your partner gets to bid, the bidding will be at 4♠, so he has no chance to overcall 2♥ on his lovely ♥suit. Oops, sry, i misread the hand. appologize to ron. btw, can anyone tell me how to cancel a post i posted? Many thanks in advance. fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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