H_KARLUK Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sqjhada32cakt8543]133|100|Scoring: BAMAfter two passed out the ball is at your hands.[/hv] A-- Say started 1♣ now 1 ♠ comes by partner, let me read yr rebid B-- Say started 2♣ then 2♦ waiting bid To 3♣ u will receive 4 ♣ Take it there please ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I prefer a 2NT rebid but maybe I should make a more mainstream 2♦ rebid with a pick-up p. I think the hand is too strong for 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 #1 1C, not close#2 3C, also not close as well With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 1C then 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Can live with 1♣ - 1♠ - 3N or 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦; I think I prefer the latter because this is a great dummy for a 6-2 spade (even a 5-2) spade fit. Not my style to open 2♣ on a hand like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa854h74dkjtcj962]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv] I have no idea how you proceed. Dummy revealed. You will see such a collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa854h74dkjtcj962]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv] I have no idea how you proceed. Dummy revealed. You will see such a collection. Oooh. Definitely worth a positive move over a reverse, and probably over a 3N rebid too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa854h74dkjtcj962 dealer: north vul: e/w scoring: bam]133|100|Scoring: BAM ♠ QJ ♥ A ♦ A32 ♣ AKT8543 [/hv]I think I would bid this:1C-1S2D-3C3D-3S4C-4D4S-5D5H-6C3C=positive3D/3S=control4C=RKC4D=4/1 of 54S=Kings?5D=D King5H=another K?6C=No (Note that partner will probably bid 7C with a 4-card C and a doubleton D, Luckily that still is not hopeless) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 1C-1S-3NT. Shows good hand with strong clubs and (for mikeh) side suit stoppers, which we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 1♣ 1♠2♦ 3♣4♣ 4♦4♥ 4♠4NT etc. Only barely too good for a 3♣ rebid IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa864hj93dkjtc962]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv] Thanks all. I see. So PASS to 3N fine with such a collection? In my humble opinion 5♣ has better chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa864hj93dkjtc962]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv] Thanks all. I see. So PASS to 3N fine with such a collection? In my humble opinion 5♣ has better chances. In my not-so-humble opinion, 6♣ has good chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Still CQ may 3times offside with a failed SK finesse. Serious handicap for 3NT and also 6 clubs. To me 3NT out of question, but 5C realistic. I won't blame to N if he pass to 3NT. Mebbe itz just "A bird in th hand worths..." case ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Still CQ may 3times offside with a failed SK finesse. Serious handicap for 3NT and also 6 clubs. 6♣ needs nothing more than 2-1 or 1-2 clubs, or 3-0 or 0-3 clubs with both finesses. It's an 83% contract, and in practice even more since they might lead a diamond. Let's not lose sleep that you have found a way it could go down please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Still CQ may 3times offside with a failed SK finesse. Only 89% then; (if we guess diamonds). Bad slam (sorry). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sa864hj93dkjtc962&s=sqjhada32cakt8543]133|200|Scoring: BAMAre we talking about this one? In other words total 3 options required ♣slam:1- friendly trumps2- 2 way ♦ finesse3- working ♠ finesse[/hv] Hopefully defenders are free to play their ♥ suit In a good day why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Are we talking about this one? In other words total 3 options required ♣slam:1- friendly trumps2- 2 way ♦ finesse3- working ♠ finesse Those are the options you need for the grand slam. In 6♣ you need either friendly trumps or the finesses (as was stated several times before). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Are we talking about this one? In other words total 3 options required ♣slam:1- friendly trumps2- 2 way ♦ finesse3- working ♠ finesse Those are the options you need for the grand slam. In 6♣ you need either friendly trumps or the finesses (as was stated several times before). I am quitting with the logic. Welcome to shubiville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I got some impression that intention of my previous post in this thread has been misunderstood. Let me clarify: As i stated : "I won't blame to N if he pass to 3NT." For sure just test trumps, then employ spade finesse and pitch diamond loser. Those three options might flash in North's mind "when decision moment appeared" whether to pass 3N or pull 6/7 etc. with such a minimum balanced holding without too much cover cards. I do not think North knew South's shape well after :1C>1S2D>3C3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I got some impression that intention of my previous post in this thread has been misunderstood. Let me clarify: As i stated : "I won't blame to N if he pass to 3NT." For sure just test trumps, then employ spade finesse and pitch diamond loser. Those three options might flash in North's mind "when decision moment appeared" whether to pass 3N or pull 6/7 etc. with such a minimum balanced holding without too much cover cards. I do not think North knew South's shape well after :1C>1S2D>3C3N No-one has suggested an auction with that start to it.(Not surprisingly, as having decided to reverse into diamonds and received news of club support, 3NT is an insane call on the next round) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (H_KARLUK @ Nov 6 2008, 07:51 PM)I do not think North knew South's shape well after :1C>1S2D>3C3N FrancesHinden Posted on Nov 7 2008, 12:20 PM "No-one has suggested an auction with that start to it.(Not surprisingly, as having decided to reverse into diamonds and received news of club support, 3NT is an insane call on the next round)" But sorry then i misunderstood those past posts. FrancesHinden Posted on Nov 6 2008, 03:25 PM :"1C then 3NT " pclayton Posted on Nov 6 2008, 04:13 PM :"Can live with 1♣ - 1♠ - 3N or 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦; I think I prefer the latter because this is a great dummy for a 6-2 spade (even a 5-2) spade fit. Not my style to open 2♣ on a hand like this. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (H_KARLUK @ Nov 6 2008, 07:51 PM)I do not think North knew South's shape well after :1C>1S2D>3C3N FrancesHinden Posted on Nov 7 2008, 12:20 PM "No-one has suggested an auction with that start to it.(Not surprisingly, as having decided to reverse into diamonds and received news of club support, 3NT is an insane call on the next round)" But sorry then i misunderstood those past posts. FrancesHinden Posted on Nov 6 2008, 03:25 PM :"1C then 3NT " pclayton Posted on Nov 6 2008, 04:13 PM :"Can live with 1♣ - 1♠ - 3N or 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦; I think I prefer the latter because this is a great dummy for a 6-2 spade (even a 5-2) spade fit. Not my style to open 2♣ on a hand like this. " This might sound rude, but... If you don't understand the difference between the auctions 1♣ - 1♠3N and 1♣ - 1♠2♦ - 3♣3N then you really need to rethink your posting style. There's nothing wrong with beginners and intermediates asking questions in the Advanced/Expert lounge. However, your posts combine "Snarky" and "Stupid". This is just asking for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 PASSED NORTH=A864,J93,KJT,962 1C>1S3N ? Pass or pull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Pass, I have a square hand with no extra controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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