inquiry Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Ideally the right spot is 6♦ by south. This isn't going to happen. However, 6♦ by North is at great risk of losing first two tricks in ♥. The bidding given below is what happened at one table. Note the 5♠ bid was an excellent attempt to steer the contract out of ♦ and into ♠'s I think. [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sajh32dakq8752cq4&s=skqt83hk9764djt6c]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass 1♠ Pass 2♦ Pass 2♥ Pass 3♣! Dbl 3♦ 4♣ 4♦ Pass 5♣ Pass 5♠ Pass 6♦ Pass Pass Pass Can anyone give a reasonable auction to steer clear of the dangerous 6♦ to 6♠? On this combination, do you even think 6♠ is a superior contract? Thanks. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 I am not sure if 6♠ is better contract, ♦ ruff is looking very likely.6♦ in my eyes is better contract, you need a ♥ lead and the ♥Ace to be wrong to beat it. In 6 ♠ you have that ♦ problem.But on auction you gave I think after 4♣ from opps instead of 4♦ I would bid 4♠. I rather have AJ in possible trump suit then xxx. Mike B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 How about a few "lead directing" heart cue bids on the way to 6♦. If no-one doubles the cue then they are less likely to lead them. If someone doubles the cue then you have an indication of whether the Ace is over the King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 i think that even if north bid 4♠ after 4♣, south will correct to diamonds... he'd figure north for honor doubleton, but probably not 2 of top 4 i know i'm missing something elementary here, but what was the purpose of 3♣? 2♦ was game force, right? seems to me that 3♦ was better, then 4♦ can be rkc by south... i know i'm missing something here lol btw i think north gets a club lead, not a heart lead, but i could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 i think that even if north bid 4♠ after 4♣, south will correct to diamonds... he'd figure north for honor doubleton, but probably not 2 of top 4 i know i'm missing something elementary here, but what was the purpose of 3♣? 2♦ was game force, right? seems to me that 3♦ was better, then 4♦ can be rkc by south... i know i'm missing something here lol btw i think north gets a club lead, not a heart lead, but i could be wrong I grabbed this hand off the myhands site. The auction given was the one at the table I happened to be kibitzing... I am not trying to explain the bidding used, guess a deletiton of that might have been better. 6[di[ is down on ♥ lead from JTx. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 17, 2004 Report Share Posted April 17, 2004 All biddings I think about end on north making a 4♠ control forcing south to ask for keycards or to get decisions, since he is the only one with a ♥ control, his lack of the ♠J makes it imposible to bid 6♠ sadly. About wich contract is best, 6♠ is better theorically because only fails on ♠5-1, or ♦3-0 with them being able to score a ruff (only 75% of 3-0), I don´t know the exact % of this, but its for sure better than the 50% of 6♦. In practice it can differ, weak opponents (or those who don´t have a good concept of you :P ) will tend to lead ♣ against 6♦, while on 6♠ lightner double can come (and even north may try 6NT there on some biddings!). Still we have to consider those 2 IMPS advantage for playing in ♠, maybe important since the choice seems tight. I know a way to find 6♠ would the best contract on my bidding system... but after 2♦ weak in majors opening there is no need of playing in ♠ to guard the ♥K :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 6♠ is a better contract.I wouldnt reach it.the only way i see to get there is by bidding 2sp rather then 3cl, this could be done if your system is flexiable enough that partner would accept a bid like 6d as a final contract. setting spades as trumps with 2 spade, put you in a good spot for checking slams, since the cards you miss are clubs and heart controlls and the KQ of spades.The other way i thought about first, is bidding 4nt after the 4c which should imo be for spades (since can make a forcing bid for diamond and cant make one for spades) however i dont see how you can ask for aces when you dont have the suits controlled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I think 6♠ is inferior, because you have a 10 card fit somewhere else, and the risk of a ruff is too high (perhaps even 2 ruffs, doubled,...) How to get South to play in ♦ is quite impossible with natural bids, but with the scientific approach you might reacht it. Moscito fails because the bidding starts:1♥ - 1♠2♣ - 2♦... 1♥ = 4+♠2♣ = 5+♠ and 4+♥(North only bids relays)And this already wrongsides the contract... I don't know any local systems either which would be able to rightside it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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