H_KARLUK Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sj854hkj64daq3ck2&w=skt932hqt98dkjtc7&e=sq76h532d982cjt93&s=saha7d7654caq8654]399|300|Scoring: MPYour side landed 6 ♣ in a good day and ♦J led won by Q. Yet you only know W overcalled One ♠. [/hv] Could you please post any ending to bring the contract home? Thanks :PHamdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Double-dummy, I only see one way to make, but that line is anti-percentage. I think both reasonable lines involve playing clubs for 3/2, and I think the heart finesse is superior to playing diamonds to be 3/3. I guess the question is how much the spade overcall gives away. It seems to me to be entirely plausible that RHO could have the heart queen (especially given the vulnerability). Granted, the first trick seems to imply that LHO isn't short in diamonds, so if he's short anywhere, clubs would be a good guess. Still, is it enough to endanger the high percentage line? It doesn't feel like it to me, but maybe the experts will have more to say. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Not sure if you want a double-dummy solution or single, but since W failed to lead the KQ of spades and since our Q♦ won the first trick, it's pretty easy to place W with the heart honor and one of the spades. With one diamond pitch eventually on the J♥, it's just a question of handling the 4-1 break if we have a trump loser. It's an easier problem if we assume we can peek at the 4-1 break and give up the known trump loser on the 2nd round of clubs to avoid having to make pitches from the dummy too early, but I'll try to solve it in the case we test for the 3-2 break first. Answer below since B/I spade to the Aclub to the Kspade ruffhigh club (getting the bad news, W pitches a spade)low club exited to E, pitching the small diamond from dummy (W pitches a diamond) [hv=n=sjxhkjxxdac&w=skxhqt98dkc&e=sqhxxxd98cj&s=shaxdxxxcax]399|300|East to Lead[/hv]At this point, our goal with E on lead is to ruff one more spade (isolating the spade threat with W in preparation for a simple spade/heart squeeze), unblock our A of diamonds, and run clubs. - if E returns a spade, ruff, cash the diamond ace, return to the heart ace - if E returns a diamond, win and ruff a spade - if E returns a heart, rise with the A, play a diamond to the A, and ruff a spade [hv=n=sjxhkjxxdac&w=skxhqt98dkc&e=sqhxxxd98cj&s=shaxdxxxcax]399|300|East to Lead[/hv]At this point, note that West is squeezed in the majors and we'll make the remainder of the tricks. You might ask about what happens if East returned his last trump when we put him in, rather than a side suit. This is more troublesome since we needed to keep our A of diamonds to avoid the loser, but now it's blocked and we have to pitch a spade instead (while West gives up his diamond to keep both majors). I think the only solution to this was to have given up the 2nd round of trumps to East, rather than the 3rd. Then we can pitch a low (useless) diamond from the board and still take care of all the transportation if East returns a trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Don't need a squeeze I think, only a trump coup. Spade to ace.club to king.ruff a spade.club ace getting the bad news.heart finesse.heart king pitching diamond.ruff third round of spades.diamond to ace.Lead a major suit card, pitch the losing diamond if east ruffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Don't need a squeeze I think, only a trump coup. After diamond to the ace [hv=n=sjh6d3c&w=skhqdkc&e=shd9cjt&s=shd7cq8]399|300|[/hv] I couldn't see it, but I do now. Neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Thanks all. I think low trump to hand at trick two also works. Cash Spade A, back to table with another low trump, then spade ruff transposes etc etc. I know this technique as "coup en passant" -> inescapable trump loser. Most trump coups rather different. Am I wrong? SincerelyHamdi ps. 1)Hopefully it wuz fun. 2) "Intermediate when I count. Novice when I get lazy." I liked it Vuroth, sometimes need more counting as you might knew well :) - Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 And if East pitches his diamond instead of ruffing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 And if East pitches his diamond instead of ruffing? Then you ruff (low!). Isn't this called an elopement, rather than a trump coup, btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Thanks "cherdano". Indeed nice spot. I just surfed and found it : http://homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/EGlossary/Elopement.html I lub this game RegardsHamdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el tombo Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 I thought an elopement was where you have a trump loser and 3 side suit losers (for example), needing 10 tricks, but you ruff with your small trumps so that you make 10 tricks and they end up having to ruff one of their partner's tricks. I may be wrong. I read that this play was called a "coup en passent" in Andrew Robson's book of Endplays and Squeezes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Hi, Thank you very much El Tombo. A. Robson, Di Lauria, Chagas are still my idols. (No doubt other World Class Category members esteemed). I will surf and hope to find a link to buy that book. RegardsHamdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 I'm not so sure that there is really much difference between an "elopement" and a "coup en passant," except that perhaps the latter in an example of the former or that the former is a less-known term. In any event, this is a great example hand to illustrate how "good technique" pays off. Reading and Practice suggests certain things without having to think through the entire hand, sometimes. When this dummy hits the table, as Han said, your major concern should be diamonds, of course, but trumps splitting 4-1 should be the obvious "other issue." The solution in diamonds comes quickly -- take two finesses. That seems as good as anything. Let's suppose, however, that no quick soluton for trumps appears. Good technique arises from studying and remembering that trump coups do exist and that one key is to "not having too many trumps." Also, if you know that Vienna Coups exist, you know that stiff Aces cause problems. So, when everything looks good to go, you take that extra step of crossing to the spade Ace at trick two. Why? You are clearing the "stiff Ace problem" because maybe there is a Vienna Coup somewhere and you are setting up a ruff of that troubling "having too many trumps." You have no idea, perhaps, whether any of this will matter, but somehow each seems in play. Heck, maybe the fourth diamond somehow can be pitched on the spade Jack... Anyway, when you cross to dummy, as Han said, and ruff the spade to play a second high trump, now the problem hits you. With fewer cards left, seeing the trump coup is easier, somehow, and you then are prepared to pull it off because of the prep work. Here's the funny thing, Part II. Suppose clubs had split 3-2 after all. You'd have six clubs, one spade, two diamonds, and two hearts, for starters, or 11 tricks. After hooking the heart for the 12th trick, you could ruff the spade, eliminating RHO's Queen, and then run down all of the clubs to squeeze LHO if he had held four diamonds and five spades. (The heart Queen would have just dropped out.) There are many other permutations where playing the spade Ace early and ruffing a spade helps to maybe make all 13 tricks or to perhaps recover if the heart hook fails or to avoid the hook or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Elopement has more than connotations than en passant. Adventures in Card Play has a whole chapter on it. En passant is also called "coup d'agonie" in a Reese book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Just surfed and reached "coup de agonie" - page 51: Playing with the Bridge LegendsBarnet Shenkin also Zia Mahmood, Michael RosenbergMaster Point Press, 2000ISBN 1894154215, 9781894154215235 pages If this forum would not exists, also this members would not post their remarks I would have no idea about such nice articles. IMHO worths to study every link about "coup en passant-elopement-coup de agonie". It will surely take a lot of my time to exercise. For that reason I extend my most ardent thanks to all participants. Very well done. RegardsHamdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Richard Pavlicek has several examples of elopement plays on his site. Try this google search: elope site:rpbridge.net Lot's of other good stuff there too. The defensive play contests and analyses are mind blowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hi, I appreciate y66. Nice input. Happy Bridging :unsure: Hamdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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