pclayton Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 ♠AJ98x ♥T9xx ♦xx ♣xx 1♦ - 1♠ - 2N - ? Wolff Applies (3♣ to signoff in spades (3♥ after Wolff is a slam try in the other minor); 3♦ is checkback). Soz, no transfers today. BTW, how would you bid this not playing Wolff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Can we bid 3♣ then 3♥ to possibly get out in hearts? Not that I'm sure I want to since it's probably the wrong suit if partner is 2-3, but it's still worth knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Can we bid 3♣ then 3♥ to possibly get out in hearts? Not that I'm sure I want to since it's probably the wrong suit if partner is 2-3, but it's still worth knowing. Nope; thats artificial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 3♦, better go down in 4♥ than in 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 3♦, this seems like a prototypical "overbid a little to get to the best strain" decision. I don't want to try to make exactly 2NT with the long spades possibly getting stranded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Playing 3D as checkback, I bid 3D and play in 4M or 3NTNot playing artificial methods, I bid 3H natural and forcing and play in 4M or 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 3♦, this seems like a prototypical "overbid a little to get to the best strain" decision. I don't want to try to make exactly 2NT with the long spades possibly getting stranded. This is what I tried. Not sure if I was lucky or not. Pard held: Qx, KQJx, AJxx, AJx. Nine tricks was a little over average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 3♦, this seems like a prototypical "overbid a little to get to the best strain" decision. I don't want to try to make exactly 2NT with the long spades possibly getting stranded. This is what I tried. Not sure if I was lucky or not. Pard held: Qx, KQJx, AJxx, AJx. Nine tricks was a little over average. If this was matchpoints I would be tempted to sign off in 3♠ and try to get a plus. Even if it's a 5-2 fit I think I will do one trick better than NT, winning the board with any number of tricks made. This action pays off to a 4-4 heart fit, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 If you bid 3D and partner bids 3M you can still pass right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 How about a quick sim, Cascade maybe? How often does partner have three spades, four hearts, or neither? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 How often does partner have three spades, four hearts, or neither? Give me some simple constraints for opener and I will do the simulation. Something like 44 in the minors opens 1D or 1C? Could opener have six diamonds? If so, any restrictions on which hands with 6 diamonds would rebid 2N? 1363 for instance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 How often does partner have three spades, four hearts, or neither? Give me some simple constraints for opener and I will do the simulation. Something like 44 in the minors opens 1D or 1C? Could opener have six diamonds? If so, any restrictions on which hands with 6 diamonds would rebid 2N? 1363 for instance? I think Phil should answer those questions based on his own agreements or the style in use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Here are some results. 100,000 sample size for each. (1) Give opener 4333, 4432, 5332, or 6322 with longest suit diamonds (open 1D with 44 in minors) and 18-19 HCP: opener has 3 spades = 50.9%opener has 4 hearts = 20.7%opener has 3 spades or 4 hearts = 64.1%opener has 3 spades and 4 hearts = 7.5% (2) Same, but allow opener to also be 1444 or 1363: opener has 3 spades = 45.8%opener has 4 hearts = 26.0%opener has 3 spades or 4 hearts = 64.9%opener has 3 spades and 4 hearts = 6.9% (1a) Same as (1), but open 1C with 44 in minors:opener has 3 spades = 55.0%opener has 4 hearts = 29.0%opener has 3 spades or 4 hearts = 73.2%opener has 3 spades and 4 hearts = 10.8% (2a) Same as (2), but open 1C with 44 in minors (so no 1444):opener has 3 spades = 52.4%opener has 4 hearts = 27.5%opener has 3 spades or 4 hearts = 69.8%opener has 3 spades and 4 hearts = 10.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Phil, I do not play Wolff. Could you please give me an example hand that would have a slam try in the other minor that failed to bid that minor first? Since I don't play it, this treatment strikes me as odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 How often does partner have three spades, four hearts, or neither? Give me some simple constraints for opener and I will do the simulation. Something like 44 in the minors opens 1D or 1C? Could opener have six diamonds? If so, any restrictions on which hands with 6 diamonds would rebid 2N? 1363 for instance? I think Phil should answer those questions based on his own agreements or the style in use. 6 diamonds is possible but unlikely. 4-4 in the minors definitely opens 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Phil, I do not play Wolff. Could you please give me an example hand that would have a slam try in the other minor that failed to bid that minor first? Since I don't play it, this treatment strikes me as odd. The classic hand is 5♠; 5♣ and an opening hand (plus). Obviously a hand with 4♠; 5+ clubs starts with 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobElliott Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 INSTEAD OF WOLFF PLAY ALL SUITS ARE TRANSFERS: 3C= D3D=5S & 4+H3H=44 MAJORS3S=C ON THIS HAND OPENER WILL BID 3H AND YOU PASS...IF OPENER IS 23 IN THE MAJORS...TOO BAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 When playing transfers you can just bid 3D. Opener should bid 3S with 2-2. 3-2 or 3-3 in the majors. You'll play hearts when opener is 2-3 which is too bad but you'l play hearts when opener is 2-4 which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 When playing transfers you can just bid 3D. Opener should bid 3S with 2-2. 3-2 or 3-3 in the majors. You'll play hearts when opener is 2-3 which is too bad but you'l play hearts when opener is 2-4 which is good. Even though that would tend to be the thing to do with this shape, my qualm is that with these suits a 4-3 heart fit is probably quite bad, certainly worse than a 5-2 spade fit. Overall not an easy hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Yes, ♥ transfers, especially for hands like this. Not in the arsenal today. I also love reverse flannery. Would also have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Strong club would also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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