pclayton Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 ♠Q98xx ♥QT ♦Q98 ♣Axx Opps silent; MPs. 1♦ - 1♠ - 3N - ? Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 What does this show, anyway? A gambling 3NT with an opening hand? Can't be because you have the Q of diamonds. Thus it must be 23-25 so 6NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I want to start with 4♦ but the problem is if partner bids 4♠ over that I can't get back to notrump. I'll do it anyway, bidding 5♣ over 4♥ or bidding 5♦ over anything else. Who knows, if partner is not mikeh or some other old fart he might have xx of hearts :D Edit: Oh mps bahhhhhhh.....ok 4NT. Partner should be on the heavy side since he cheated on the solid suit, so I don't like passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 What does this show, anyway? A gambling 3NT with an opening hand? Can't be because you have the Q of diamonds. Thus it must be 23-25 so 6NT? 23-25 would have opened 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 So what is it? It's not a gambling NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I pass. It's very unlikely that slam is on (eg Kx Kx AKJxxxx KQ and you're still off two aces). If you bypass 3NT, then you're probably not going to be able to signoff in NT below slam. At MPs, prefer 3NT to 5m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 So what is it? It's not a gambling NT Its a hand too strong for 3♦ with six or more diamonds and without a spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I pass. It's very unlikely that slam is on (eg Kx Kx AKJxxxx KQ and you're still off two aces). If you bypass 3NT, then you're probably not going to be able to signoff in NT below slam. At MPs, prefer 3NT to 5m. how about ♠ x ♥ AKx ♦ AKxxxxx ♣ Kx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I want to start with 4♦ but the problem is if partner bids 4♠ over that I can't get back to notrump. I'll do it anyway, bidding 5♣ over 4♥ or bidding 5♦ over anything else. Who knows, if partner is not mikeh or some other old fart he might have xx of hearts :P Edit: Oh mps bahhhhhhh.....ok 4NT. Partner should be on the heavy side since he cheated on the solid suit, so I don't like passing. The problem with 4NT is that it's quantitative isn't it? There are minimums where slam is good, and 20-22 counts where you're off two aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I pass. It's very unlikely that slam is on (eg Kx Kx AKJxxxx KQ and you're still off two aces). If you bypass 3NT, then you're probably not going to be able to signoff in NT below slam. At MPs, prefer 3NT to 5m. how about ♠ x ♥ AKx ♦ AKxxxxx ♣ Kx ? This certainly isn't a 3N rebid for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Pass.When partner wants to set up a good conversation he should not jump 3NT.He is supposed to have long diamonds and my ♦Q makes me wonder what excactly he's looking at. Anyway, I have no obvious reason to bid - that would make things different - so I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 What does this show, anyway? A gambling 3NT with an opening hand? Can't be because you have the Q of diamonds. Thus it must be 23-25 so 6NT? Usually, 3NT showes a long strong suit, with a singletonin partners suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 4D slam try. Most likely we have 3-4 loosers anyway,2 top spades, maybe 3, so even if we stopin 5D, that may not be too bad. With kind regardsMarlowe PS (Added later): 4C is better than 4D, this should be a cue for diamonds, and given partners spade shortnes and that he has to have club values, 4C allowes partner to evaluate his hand better.After 4D, you can simply bid 5D, and you have finished your description, denying to honors inhearts and spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I'm a passer. If we have 6NT so be it, I hope partner's declarer play will beat all the other pairs in game like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Pass and surprise pard that I have made a sure thing of the D tricks. I can not hope to make slam I don't think. While Wayne did manage to show one I would be upset if my partner bid that hand this way. x AKx AKxxxxx Kx looks like a better hand to reverse with via 2H especially with no interferring bids. I'm not sure what my partner is doing, I sure hope they did not mean to pull the 3S bid rather than 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrei Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I'd guess partner has: K AJx AKJxxx KQx and I would pass. But I am aware he might also be: J AKx AKJxxx KQx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 If I know what 3NT shows, I'll know what to do. If I DONT know what 3NT shows, I'll just bid 4NT (blame-transfer bid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Part of this depends on who partner is. I'll assume a partner who thinks like I do (objections noted). First, partner does not have a semi-balanced hand. If he had that, he'd open 2NT. So, he does not have some 2362/2263 hand. TRherefore, he has a stiff, and the auction SCREAMS a stiff spade. Second, partner has a very strong hand and can just about see 9 tricks, despite lacking two huge cards -- the diamond Queen and the club Ace. Third, he does not have four hearts, as a 2♥ call would standout. However, lacking the Ace in clubs, he assuredly is counting on quickies from hearts. I'd bet a lot on AKx. If all of this so far is correct, then I expect something like ♠x ♥AKx ♦AKJxxx ♣Kxx as a starting thought. However, I don't think that's enough. So, I'd assume a very specific hand. Partner will have a stiff spade. He will have the A-K in hearts. He will have a seventh diamonds. He will have the club King. The probable hand, then, would be ♠x ♥AKx ♦AKJxxxx ♣Kx, although ♠x ♥AK ♦AKJxxxx ♣Kxx is possible. The whole question, then, is whether my heart Queen is working. I cannot imagine a hand where any other question would arise. The problem now is how to assess its value. I cannot figure out an auction that reliably answer that question. So, I'll assume that the question has a 50-50 answer and see if I have a backup plan. I do. Suppose a club lead when partner has the hand with 1273 shape. He wins in hand to play a spade toward dummy, losing, and then wins the club continuation on dummy. He can then trump a spade, diamond to 8, trump a spade, diamond to 9, trump a spade, diamond to Queen. On this line, partner makes whenever spades split 4-3 OR 5-2 with the AK in spades being tight. If partner has AKJ10xxx, this line has no problems. If partner has AKJxxxx, and the 10 drops stiff on the lead toward dummy, also no problems. If partner lacks the diamond 10, and the 10 does not show up, then partner needs to finesse against 10x to the left to make the contract. So, this hand yields two exciting ideas. First, the spade suit may yield the 12th trick. Second, taking advantage of that card may require a finesse against the 10 despite having AKQJ-tenth as the trump suit. That possibility is way too sexy to pass up. So, 6♦ for me. No screwing around with ambiguous 4NT or 4♦ nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Pard held: x AK, AKJTxxx, KJx. This looks like an uber-max to me, doesn't it to you? The club Q is offside, but with the ♦Q98 of diamonds you have enough entries to get the 5th spade going, assuming no sick trump lead. I passed. Visions of Ax Kx AKJxxxx Kx kept popping up in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Pard held: x AK, AKJTxxx, KJx. This looks like an uber-max to me, doesn't it to you? The club Q is offside, but with the ♦Q98 of diamonds you have enough entries to get the 5th spade going, assuming no sick trump lead. I passed. Visions of Ax Kx AKJxxxx Kx kept popping up in my head. Damn shame partner had both the J and 10 of trumps -- ruined the sexy play possibility. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Pard held: x AK, AKJTxxx, KJx. This looks like an uber-max to me, doesn't it to you? As I mentioned, I think you should expect one knowing partner doesn't have a solid suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Still another example of a good hand for a forcing jump rebid in a minor suit. This hand would be so much easier if the auction started 1♦ - 1♠ - 3♦ (forcing). While you may expect partner to have this hand, given that you have Qxx of diamonds, what would you think if you had xxx of diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 This hand would be so much easier if the auction started 1♦ - 1♠ - 3♦ (forcing). Why would it be easier if 3NT essentially shows the same hand? Would you rebid something below 3NT as responder? A 3NT rebid is actually more descriptive, so I say it leads to a better auction than a forcing 3♦ rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 This hand would be so much easier if the auction started 1♦ - 1♠ - 3♦ (forcing). Why would it be easier if 3NT essentially shows the same hand? Would you rebid something below 3NT as responder? A 3NT rebid is actually more descriptive, so I say it leads to a better auction than a forcing 3♦ rebid. Yeah, but if 3♦ is forcing, then... 3♥ could show the heart Queen and diamond support, except that it would show hearts. But... 3♠ could show no spade losers and this kind of hand, except that it would be natural. But... 3NT could show this exact hand, except that it would simply show a hand that would have passed had partner bid 3NT the normal way (probably wrong-siding the contract). But... You could bid something above 3NT to show something interesting in some way that would somehow not be the same bid had partner bid 3NT. So there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 This old fart, playing with another old fart, would have reached slam, so I guess old farts may know something, once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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