My BBO diary

[H_KARLUK]

Hi all,

 

A- Problems of free tournaments:

 

1- I did not see too much discipline. Neither players nor most free TDs aware rules. Sorry, just play, keep yr mouth shut and never read is not my favorite.

 

2- Software should not allow starting time change like on paid groups

 

3- Senseless table definition comments.

 

4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour.

 

5- Tournament rules update should be a must.

 

6- I have no idea why free TDs do not create a web page and post their schedule.

 

7- To me they also should communicate with paid group managers.

 

Shortly, sorry but i also see many behaviorual handicaps. If anyone not believes my words can run a free tournament. As once stated on BBO help files :

Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone. The idea is always should be not to overstep any given authority, privilege or rights. Bridge is a friendly game. No need personal conflicts. It never helps to improve your game and get maturity day by day.

 

B- I follow Traffic History Graph for bridgebase.com. Percent of global Internet users who visit this site really good in my standards. At least it makes me happy.

 

But i cannot say same for where people go on Bridgebase.com:

 

online.bridgebase.com - 56%

bridgebase.com - 25%

forums.bridgebase.com - 7%

adserver.bridgebase.com - 7%

doc.bridgebase.com - 2%

bridgebase09.bridgebase.com - 1%

web04.bridgebase.com - 1%

Other websites - 1%

 

C- I want to see ticket order forms. I promise I will buy too much and advice my clubmates also to buy a lot.

 

D- I want to see better days. I want to see 1st BBO Internet World Bridge Championship 2009. It's done on 2000 and 2001 on another online bridge website.

 

I know we can collaborate well and fix it. I hope I will be right right on all my counts.

 

Best regards

[H_KARLUK]

Hi all,

 

A- Problems of free tournaments:

 

1- I did not see too much discipline. Neither players nor most free TDs aware rules. Sorry, just play, keep yr mouth shut and never read is not my favorite.

 

2- Software should not allow starting time change like on paid groups

 

3- Senseless table definition comments.

 

4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour.

 

5- Tournament rules update should be a must.

 

6- I have no idea why free TDs do not create a web page and post their schedule.

 

7- To me they also should communicate with paid group managers.

 

Shortly, sorry but i also see many behaviorual handicaps. If anyone not believes my words can run a free tournament. As once stated on BBO help files :

Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone. The idea is always should be not to overstep any given authority, privilege or rights. Bridge is a friendly game. No need personal conflicts. It never helps to improve your game and get maturity day by day.

 

B- I follow Traffic History Graph for bridgebase.com. Percent of global Internet users who visit this site really good in my standards. At least it makes me happy.

 

But i cannot say same for where people go on Bridgebase.com:

 

online.bridgebase.com - 56%

bridgebase.com - 25%

forums.bridgebase.com - 7%

adserver.bridgebase.com - 7%

doc.bridgebase.com - 2%

bridgebase09.bridgebase.com - 1%

web04.bridgebase.com - 1%

Other websites - 1%

 

C- I want to see ticket order forms. I promise I will buy too much and advice my clubmates also to buy a lot.

 

D- I want to see better days. I want to see 1st BBO Internet World Bridge Championship 2009. It's done on 2000 and 2001 on another online bridge website.

 

I know we can collaborate well and fix it. I hope I will be right right on all my counts.

 

Best regards

Rehi all,

 

Sorry for some mistakes. I try to correct :

 

4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour "by same TD."

 

5- Free Tournament rules update should be a must.

 

This is BBO's view :

 

"Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone. "

 

Rest are my thoughts.

 

D- "I hope I will be right on all my counts."

 

Thanks

 

Hamdi Karluk

H_Karluk on BBO

[paulg]

Hamdi,

 

I do not share your views on free tournaments.

 

As long as free tournaments do not cause complaints to BBO, I see nothing wrong in letting people run them as they wish.

 

There are a large number of free tournaments. Some are truly excellent, others I would never play in, but they are very popular and I don't see why anyone should impose their own rules on a volunteer giving up their time to run a free event on BBO.

 

In summary, some are excellent value for money, others you get what you pay for.

 

Paul

[H_KARLUK]

Hamdi,

 

I do not share your views on free tournaments.

 

As long as free tournaments do not cause complaints to BBO, I see nothing wrong in letting people run them as they wish.

 

There are a large number of free tournaments. Some are truly excellent, others I would never play in, but they are very popular and I don't see why anyone should impose their own rules on a volunteer giving up their time to run a free event on BBO.

 

In summary, some are excellent value for money, others you get what you pay for.

 

Paul

Paul,

 

Maybe I took this game too much serious. I read all BBO manuals. I read all BBO TD scripts. Still follow and keep every posted news.

 

I want to find the logical reason. Is it really simple ignorance and illiterate or people dislike fair play in online Bridge Game.

 

I am still unsure most of free TDs and players are aware of formats.

 

I wonder, "volunteer" means permitted to ignore established rules of site and free to act whatever wish anytime? Sorry, not my cup of tea.

 

Sure , you may dislike and i respect.

 

I remembered :

 

1) Oscar Wilde (Irish Poet, Novelist, Dramatist and Critic, 1854-1900). He quoted : “Everything popular is wrong.”

 

2) “Isn't it strange that I who have written only unpopular books should be such a popular fellow?”

Albert Einstein (German born American Physicist who developed the special and general theories of relativity. Nobel Prize for Physics in 1921. 1879-1955)

 

3) "I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.”

Robert E. Lee was perhaps the US Civil War's most famous a respected general officer offered command by both the north and the south.

 

 

I wld be highly delighted to read your comments abt B,C and D.

 

Thanks.

[H_KARLUK]

This is my.lin file that i upload everytime. At start I asked Fred's help to add 2nd page and forward button. He quickly helped.

 

Then I met Georgi. He revised my.lin file. It is now in 3 languages (English, Spanish, Turkish). I plan to add more languages soon.

 

I appreciate these two humble gentlemen. I will never forget their favor.

 

"You are here : Highest Ethics - Helps to improve your play"

 

Hi there, I try to conduct friendly.You may like it with the new BBO.

http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/news_fetch.php?id=48

 

It behooves us in bridge, as in life, to remain polite at all times. Maintain sound emotional control even in the height of a dreadful bloody battle! Try to be calm during play for the sake of others who may be concentrating on a tricky hand. At least, aim to type gently if you must notice.

Conventions/Unusual defensive carding agreements must be prealerted (if CC not exists).Inform the TD when game stopped more than 30 seconds.

Adjusting unfinished board to board result (if obvious line of play)

A: If the TD sees that a particular outcome would be reached with any reasonable continuation of play, or if both sides agree on what the outcome will be, the TD should adjust the board to that outcome.

B: If more than one reasonable continuation of play exists, which would produce different board results, the TD often can not assign a specific board result . Then, the TD determines if either side is at fault for the round not being finished. If the TD was not called to the table during the round, and the board's outcome can not be determined, the TD can leave the ave- that the system assigned or adjust to ave= for both pairs.

exception: If the declarer or defense has already won or will surely win enough tricks for a good result.}

 

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Disallowed : Psyches & Undos & Artificial club systems & Kibitzers

(except 3 minutes before results posted) & Tournament chat

vs Rudeness : A tutorial for creating a screenshot is available at (click) the link below for more information.

 

http://bridgebase.com/help/english/scrnsnap.html

 

It is up to the host and directors to decide how much they want to get into the business of score adjustments. The idea of online tournaments is to automate the process as much as possible. Accordingly, the TD may want to avoid score adjustments and discourage complaints about alerts, lack of alerts, poor explanations, etc.

BBO Yellows may become involved if behavioural issues arise; however they have volunteered to assist members get to know BBO and to deal with behavioural issues, not to resolve directing issues (that is my job as a tournament director).

I have to monitor the tournament. I cannot abandon the tournament part way through.

Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone.

 

I care not to type even a word on my running tournament chat. I don't want players dictracted.

 

I hope new and better ideas will arise.

 

Hamdi

[jillybean]

Hamdi,

 

I know you are one of the good TD’s, many people enjoy your tournaments and you put a lot of effort into running them.

I think the sad fact is that tournaments on BBO have very few rules and other than the occasional disgruntled player, noone cares how they are run or about the people who run them. If a player does not like a particular TD, they are free to leave and not play there again. You will drive yourself nuts trying to clean up the free games so find a format that works for you and ignore the rest. :)

 

Good luck

[H_KARLUK]

Hamdi,

 

I know you are one of the good TD’s, many people enjoy your tournaments and you put a lot of effort into running them.

 

You will drive yourself nuts trying to clean up the free games so find a format that works for you and ignore the rest. :)

 

Good luck

Hi :)

 

Well, I hope i deserve such a nice compliment.

 

Anyway, my apologies. I am still agree with Benjamin Franklin (American Statesman, Scientist, Philosopher, Printer, Writer and Inventor. 1706-1790)

 

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”

 

I merely wish more meaningful and fruitful events. That's why i defend a bit more discipline in field.

 

BBO is a great design for today and tomorrow. I cannot let anybody ruin aesthetic.

 

Do not we deserve to save our energy and to focus principles and "good work" please? :)

 

I ask everybody also to comment abt B,C,D Items.

 

Thank you very much.

[jikl]

The interesting thing is, that whilst I respect Jillybean highly, and you may in fact be a good TD. I would probably not play in one of your Tournies. Isn't one of the things you mentioned changing the rules of Bridge? Yet you are disallowing Psyches, and more strangely artifical club systems.

 

This is where it gets interesting, is a pair that plays a 2455 ♣♦♥♠ SAYC variant system artificial? (A lot of people play this) They could be bidding it with only a 2 card suit. It seems you are taking bits and pieces from both sides here while criticising nearly everyone else.

 

Sean

[H_KARLUK]

Isn't one of the things you mentioned changing the rules of Bridge? Yet you are disallowing Psyches, and more strangely artifical club systems.

Sean,

 

Artificial systems and Psyches defense need preparations with regular partnership. On BBO mostly pick-up partnerships.

 

That's the reason i wanted to keep the balance.

 

Thanks

 

Hamdi

[jikl]

You neglected to answer my question about a 2455 system :P

 

Sean

[H_KARLUK]

You neglected to answer my question about a 2455 system :P

 

Sean

Sean,

 

Can you tell it is a natural based system? I do not think so.

 

I respect artificial systems. Maybe one day i decide to create an event only for "artificial system bidders"

 

Hamdi

[jikl]

This is where many organisations get it wrong. Although I would not play this system it is very commonly played. The only circumstance where this is a 2 card suit is in a specific 4432 (SHDC) distribution with probably about 12-14 points. Now I don't have a hand generator to analyse this but I am guessing this is a VERY low percentage, and you have now decided to ban this. Realistically there is no difference between a 5533 opening system and a 5542 system but we have pedantic officials and directors that rule against it because they either don't understand it or couldn't be bothered trying.

 

Sean

[H_KARLUK]

Sean,

 

I do not know have you ever heard a system called "nightmare". Say, it is some pairs sys card. I admit they may be polite and they are really to sportsmanship soul. They may also be very careful using alerts in time.

 

I respect their willing to play an artificial system. On the other hand could you please tell me what are the chances of a pick-up online partnership versus such unusual methods for their natural bridge repertoire?

 

Similarly, the ACBL also disallowed Multi convention on their tournaments. I do not think this is unfair. You know they have strict principles and apply General convention card. Due to it some artificial relay systems also not welcomed.

 

It's never personal. Maybe you can interprete as "2/1; sayc; sef - natural based systems with some gadgets allowed":) in my tournaments

 

Thanks

Hamdi

[sceptic]

1- I did not see too much discipline. Neither players nor most free TDs aware rules. Sorry, just play, keep yr mouth shut and never read is not my favorite.

 

I would be suprised if they did not know the rules, I would not be suprised if they chose to ignore them

 

 

2- Software should not allow starting time change like on paid groups

 

agree

 

3- Senseless table definition comments.

 

This I find objectionable, why can't I put stupid comments on a table, life is to short, not to have a bit of fun

 

4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour.

 

what if you want to run two 4 board quickie tournaments (I am sure some people would think "what is the point of a 4 board tourney (but people will play in them) so the is some demand

 

5- Tournament rules update should be a must.

 

Some people probably dont know how to do this

 

6- I have no idea why free TDs do not create a web page and post their schedule.

 

may be they don't know how to do this? or can't be bothered

 

7- To me they also should communicate with paid group managers.

 

I have no idea, why on earth, this should happen, what would it achieve?

 

 

B- I follow Traffic History Graph for bridgebase.com. Percent of global Internet users who visit this site really good in my standards. At least it makes me happy.

 

I sometimes, watch paint dry, it makes me happy

 

C- I want to see ticket order forms. I promise I will buy too much and advice my clubmates also to buy a lot.

 

not sure what you mean here, sorry about that

 

D- I want to see better days. I want to see 1st BBO Internet World Bridge Championship 2009. It's done on 2000 and 2001 on another online bridge website.

 

 

that may be fun

 

Free tourneys are for anyone to run that has permissions, they have lots of flexibilities, I disagree with Sean here, jillys tourneys are quite good and you can expect a good behaviour and excellent manners from people in her tourneys, she must be doing something right

 

You are free to run yours how you want, I do not think trying to enforce or persude others to do things how you see them as being right, take a chill pill and do what you think is right for you and let the others run theirs how they want to, no one needs to play in a certain directors tourney more than once, they have freedom of choice to run how they see fit, as do you

 

 

 

I care not to type even a word on my running tournament chat. I don't want players dictracted.

 

 

That is your choice, look at the hornets tourneys, they are very popular and there is loads of chat, some people like the social relaxed atmosphere in there, they are fun, not everyone takes bridge as seriously as some would like, it is after all a pastime, hobby or a way of life, what ever it is, a lot of people keep coming back for more and while TD's run with no rules, adapted rules or what ever, as long as people keep coming back for more, why worry how they run thiers

 

Do what is right for you

[H_KARLUK]

Hi Sceptic,

 

“The way you get meaning into your life is to devote yourself to loving others, devote yourself to your community around you, and devote yourself to creating something that gives you purpose and meaning.”

by Mitch Albom

 

There should be no difference between online and "s e r i o u s" live tournaments.

 

It's a thing like noone can drive safe in a crowded road if there are not lines, lights and warning labels. The road also should be under good conditions and regularly needs being checked. Otherwise noone can get rid of irrelevant accidents.

 

Hope helps

 

Thanks

Hamdi

[jikl]

I disagree with Sean here, jillys tourneys are quite good and you can expect a good behaviour and excellent manners from people in her tourneys, she must be doing something right

 

Um, reread what I said, I was praising Jilly, but saying I didn't necessarily agree with her praise of this person :P

 

Sean

[sceptic]

I did re read it, I should have worded my answer better

[sceptic]

There should be no difference between online and "s e r i o u s" live tournaments.

 

oh yes there should

[H_KARLUK]

Yawn, let's name :

 

A- Zillions message bombs and kibitzers with absurd formats

B- Silence and carefully scheduled with reasonably adjusted clocked IMPs.

 

Some may like about option A, srry i do not need such "random" players. I saw many of them easily getting upset, sometimes bids 7Nxx or leave game quickly and ran to another free event. I am talking about "responsibilities". Bridge game should not be recognized to satisfy selfish needs. Whatever their level people join there to test skills.

 

I picked IMPs clocked movement , b/c NS fixed, groups, players may happy when they are nearest winners in their groups. Also it's a competition amongst their direction.

 

Limit is important for registry. I am trying to conduct tournaments which more players compete each others under fair conditions. Soon, i will try "ladder system".

 

I cannot realize a worst thing than same time tea party and bridge contest.

 

In other words :

 

"Quality, but not quantity". I believe rare things are always worthy and elegant. Hopefully it's not a problem.

[bid_em_up]

Isn't one of the things you mentioned changing the rules of Bridge? Yet you are disallowing Psyches, and more strangely artifical club systems.

Sean,

 

Artificial systems and Psyches defense need preparations with regular partnership. On BBO mostly pick-up partnerships.

 

That's the reason i wanted to keep the balance.

 

Thanks

 

Hamdi

There is a difference between an artificial system, and a natural system based in 2./1 (or SAYC) that opens 5542. I play the latter. I open 1C with a 2 card club suit only when the hand patter is 4432, any other time it is completely normal 2/1. You appear to be trying to disallow this, and that is wrong. 1C is alerted as "can be 2 cards", the opponents are told "We play 2/1, 1C can be 2 cards". There is absolutely nothing artificial about this.

 

The other point you appear to be trying to make is with regards to "controlled psyches". It is fine (normally) to disallow these, however to out and out ban psyches of all kinds is against the rules of bridge also. There is no defense to a regular psyche, you just need to learn to play bridge.

[mr1303]

If I have a group of 8 friends that I want to play team games with, why shouldn't I start up another one once the first one has finished?

[H_KARLUK]

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidding_system

 

2) Better to finish one then start 2nd teams.

 

I saw some intentionally misuse there, i laughed a lot. B/c obviously sign of inferiority complex.

 

Somebody knows people run for 1st available tournaments. If their limit is increased while the other TD unable to create 2 tournaments or 2 teams same time; they do such a trickery TO MAKE MOST CROWDED TOURNAMENT ( B L A H B L A H) :

 

They create a sudden 2nd quickie tournament within 10 mins starts while their main and first created tournament is behind their opponent (rofl) target TD on field. Then when people begins to register and see at least 10 tables they delay starting time.

 

This is just a "disrespect" to players. It seems some crew thinks more tables = more successfull vision. Haha. Formats always "unclocked", short playing times and boards.. Unbalanced and impossible to test real winners.

 

I still laugh; such crazy crew must feel happy. No matter good tournament conditions formed. They did a trick and felt superior, it's enough.

 

They only need something to cover their weakness temporarily. Pity.

 

It is just laziness. I have no idea why they simply ignore LUSOBRASIL notes. There tournament formats and their means clearly described.

 

All bridge players are ambitious and they deserve better conditioned free tournaments. Unfortunately there is a minority who disrespects th others; they shld be eliminated by system soon or late.

 

I cannot think the unpaid tours as a "pastime". Perhaps my words will interpret "complicated".

 

We will see if my thoughts are worthwhile and an issue that people will "mobilize" around or not.

[jillybean]

It is just laziness. I have no idea why they simply ignore LUSOBRASIL notes. There tournament formats and their means clearly described.

Hey Hamdi,

 

Check again what LUSOBRASIL says about psyches.

[jikl]

I have had enough of this silly discussion, Hamdi will obviously laugh and claim some sort of victory. He is proclaiming he will change the world, is an expert on all systems, and ignores all contrary opinions.

 

Sean

[H_KARLUK]

Hey Hamdi,

 

Check again what LUSOBRASIL says about psyches.

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=16194

 

35 and 36 telling abt psyches.

 

Let's check together theory and practice are same in a running online tournament or not.

 

Too many complaints abt psyches. Players mostly agreed general idea is live and let live. At least my attendants like to see reasonable calls and card plays. Online games are not high class contests of duplicate bridge.

 

Do you mean dear Lusobrasil's all principles applying in the field and only items 35 and 36 skipped?

 

It's a clocked event and i do not want extra work. 7 or maximum 8 minutes per board online tournaments really hard to convince players when an unusual thing appears.

 

I want to keep the unity of room. Tding should not mean "Subbing quickly".