pclayton Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Matchpoints ♠KQTxx ♥Jxx ♦Jx ♣Jxx 1♦ - 1♠ - 3♠ - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 P here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I take the low road and pass at MP. Too much in spades, and crappy J's. If partner has a 4153 or 4351 shape hand game could be pretty decent though. 4♠ more likely to be better than 3NT with nothing much outside spades, and in any case will likely score better at MP as suit contracts usually get a trick extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Is this a two-handed or four-handed auction? (1) If partner is jump-raising my spades, I bid game. Usually it is right to bid game with five good trumps opposite a jump raise. A very minimum hand like Axxx Kx AKxxx xx and game is quite decent, and the 3♠ bid really should promise more than that. (2) If partner overcalled 1♠ over LHO's 1♦ bid and RHO is splinter-raising diamonds, it depends on vulnerability. If we are red vs. white then I would pass since bidding 4♠ basically just gives opponents the choice of doubling us for a big number of bidding their game/slam. Otherwise I like 4♠ to help partner on lead and possibly find a spade sacrifice over 6♦ if partner has some extra shape and not much defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Easy game bid! Partner can have 18-19 balanced with four spades, or a singleton which is sure to be useful if he has it, or likewise for any small doubleton. This isn't even close to me, missing games is bad at matchpoints too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Hi, the alternative to Pass and 4S is double, which I would choose (my vote). Assuming 1D - 1S3S - ??? I would pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Partner can have 18-19 balanced with four spades Im never going to bid 3S with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Agree with easy 4S bid. This hand reminds me from a bidding practice hand. I had the following: xxKQ109109xxxxx the auction went 1C - 1H3D - 3H3S - ?? I hope you agree with 3H. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Agree with easy 4S bid. This hand reminds me from a bidding practice hand. I had the following: xxKQ109109xxxxx the auction went 1C - 1H3D - 3H3S - ?? I hope you agree with 3H. Now what? I assume 3♠ is a cue, not some sort of Serious / Friv. I don't agree with 3♥, but it is close. In many ways, this hand is very close to the one I posted since you have no wastage opposite shortness and 2 working doubletons. Once I have limited my hand, I prefer a LTTC 4♦ which should emphasize good trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I bid game, but not as cheerfully as Josh, and except in a weak notrump method, in which 3♠ is at least a huge 17, no way do my partners bid 3♠ with a balanced 19. A horrible 18.. yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I agree Phil, the hands are similar. The fifth trump is a big card though. Of course 3S is not frivolous, that doesn't make any sense. 3D was either invitational or a very strong hand, 3H showed a poor hand. I like 4D, even though with this partner I had not discussed last train. Surely you have to bid something different from 4H and 4D is the bid that is least likely going to mislead partner. I don't think it necessarly shows strong trumps, you could make the same bid with something useful like Qxx K109x xxxx Jx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Partner can have 18-19 balanced with four spades Im never going to bid 3S with that.What can I say, merry overbidding to you! 19 can bid 3 or 4 depending on the hand, but most 18s are certainly only worth 3. xxKQ109109xxxxx the auction went 1C - 1H3D - 3H3S - ?? I hope you agree with 3H. Now what?5♥, if partner is still trying for slam after 3♥ then his hand is huge, and I have already shown about the range I hold. I see no reason to lie with 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I bid 4 spades - but think it is much closer at matchpoints. Your distribution is not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Easy game bid! Partner can have 18-19 balanced with four spades, or a singleton which is sure to be useful if he has it, or likewise for any small doubleton. This isn't even close to me, missing games is bad at matchpoints too. Can't agree with this more, I would expect to make 5♠ more often than 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I would bid 4♠. The 5th trump is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Because it was matchpoints, I made a puss(illanimous) pass. I'm looking at these 9 friggin losers and a 5332. Pard put down A7xx Ax KQxxx Kx (I'm thinking: crap). LHO leads the ♣A and finds the heart shift. Spade to the King and RHO shows out! I'm lucky sometimes. +140 matchpointed OK. I'm convinced by the arguments for 4♠, but I also think its pretty close. Give pard a more mundane Axxx x KQxxx Axx, and game is still worth bidding I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Give pard a more mundane Axxx x KQxxx Axx, and game is still worth bidding I think. If by mundane you mean both an overbid and a misbid then I agree (I agree with JT that this is a snide remark but I think it has bridge content). I would open 1NT with the hand partner actually had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Give pard a more mundane Axxx x KQxxx Axx, and game is still worth bidding I think. If by mundane you mean both an overbid and a misbid then I agree. I don't agree, but it makes an even better point for 4♠, if you are bidding 2 spades with hands like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 In imps you can afford to bid light games, therefore when you are already at the 3 level it take any excuse to bid 4. So most play a style that is "heavy invite light acceptance" . It mean that whenever you make a game try you show real extras and responder can accept with speculative values and not the other way around (making speculative invite accepting with sound values) . With this method you avoid some 3 level contract, either you play 2 or you play 4 but less often 3. At mp heavy invite and light accept still make sense but to a much lower degree. There is somewhat 2 style. 1m------1M2M where 2M could be heavy and responder is expected to make a GT pretty light. 1m-------1M3M is heavy and responder will just pass with a subminimum response or a dreaful hand. The 2nd style is 1m------1M2M tend to show a crappy hand (3 card raise, weak Nt or 11-12 with a stiff)responder here doesnt need to make light GT here. 1m------1M3M is speculative, show any extras 14 with a stiff any 15+You will reach 3M-1 more often. What you want to achieve is that 1- you dont miss good game2- you are not playing bad games3- you are not playing 3S going down (bias toward 2S instead of 3S). In theory to maximize 1 & 2You have to allow both players to show equal input into the decision. 1m-----1M2M-----3M3 or 4M & 1m-----1M3M------ pass or 4M should have the same frequency (note here that we are only talking about borderline hands, hands where responder would have forced to game anyway and hands where both had an invite are not pertinents.) In theory to maximize 3, you have to "avoid the 3 level" 1m------1M2M------3M4M 1m------1M3M------4M 1m------1M2M all pass have to be more frequent than 1m-------1M3M-------pass & 1m-------1M2M--------3Mpass and the 2 sequence that lead to 3M should have the same frequency. I did make a math model about this and there was 2 major other points. Opener has a 3 branch input below game minimum 2 (ill refuse a invite)good 2 (im not inviting but ill accept an invite)3 level invite. responder has a 2 branch input If opener did raise he can pass or 4. if opener bid only 2 he can pass or invite. This favor heavy invite by opener light accept by responder. The 2nd points is the frequency of extras, its much more frequent for responder to have extras than for opener. 12 is more frequent then 15 by a greater factor than 8 vs 11 for responder. This is in favor of agressive invite by opener. Another practical factor too is that 1m-----1M2M (with a 2.5) ---- invite some balancing. while 1m-----1M3M doesnt. Probably the most important thing is to be consequent with your style, if your frequency of subminimal responses is higher than average, than heavy invite by opener is the way to go, if you bid invite with Axxx xAKQTxxxx than with a 18-19 balanced you cannot afford to bid just 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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