Cascade Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Perhaps I am influenced by a style that likes to bid a lot in the early auction but I feel that a method that keeps all three options in the picture is likely to be more efficient than a different method that eliminates one of the options. It seems to me that the whole idea of playing a forcing pass is that by eliminating one of the options you can use all three bids to choose between the two remaining options. When you are in a GF auction this seems better. (I'd like to say more efficient, but I am not sure what the word efficient means in this context) This has got to depend on how often GF means you have the values and are going to make game. Since we push to game when it is around 50% and worse vulnerable then there is a significant chance that we have nothing to protect so limiting the choice between offering them a doubled game and going off in our own contract doesn't seem very attractive to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 You have made that part of your argument clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 What if forgotten in the FP discussion is the maths behind FP. double swing game = 14/15 imps small penalty instead of bidding game=7 to 11 down cheap over a game= 7 to 11 going down instead of getting a small plus= 4 to 6 forcing passes = priceless. If we compared this to the disadvantage of FP. Doubling and make vs undoubled contract = 4 to 6 a forced sacrifice (cannot stand the double since you are sure they make it) that is too expensive = 3 to 5. Even when the strenght are evenly divided is seems better to play FP (maybe not 4 over 4) , so when you have an strenght edge its just a great tool that has more advantage than inconvienents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Double is a good call. After a diamond lead, we lose completely our comunication. Just one heart less and one diamond more (or ♥Q missing) and 5♠ is down, even with 7 semisolid spades in partner's hand. Sorry but double is gross 2 aces + stiff clubs and the K of H (and the K of clubs) partner didnt preempt 3S or 4S so what hand do you think hes got ? Sometimes you are not preempting because you have 3H and so-so spades but here its not possible since he bid 4S and not 4H. Bidding 4S is normal and passing the double too.The blame is 100% on the doubler here, not close at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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