paulg Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sxhqtxxxdkxxckxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP (2♠) 3♥ (3♠)4♥ (4♠) Dbl (Pass)?[/hv]Experienced tournament players, but not experts, as opponents and the second session with a new expert partner opposite. Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I bid, although partner has doubled and wants to defend.Partner cannot know that we will make zero heart tricks against 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The 2 ♠ bidder bids again. Either he is soemone who wants to play any hand or he has a reason to bid 4 Spade. We should belive the second reason. So pd knows that the chance of a heart chicane is around 90 %. He doubled 4 Spade and I have some defensive values. If my pd will take my double with this hand out, I will hate him. Besides: We freely bid game AND the 2 Spade bidder did something unusual. To me partner was in a forcing pass situation and in that case, a pass is mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yeah I'd also bid 5H, I have at least two more trumps than partner can expect. If I thought LHO was a complete lunatic (instead of just a regular lunatic) then I might pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 If my opponents are not experts, then I would not read much into the 4♠ bid. I'd pass, as I'd expect both 4♠ and 5♥ to be frequently down one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Another reraise by the preemptor. :) vulnerable nonetheless! I never see these problems IRL but I'm not defending with 5 trump, a stiff and so-so defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 This problem was the cause of an appeal, as it was maintained that partner's double was after a hesitation. On the actual hand, 4♠ was making and 5♥ going down one. You can see all the hands and what the legal community thinks in the thread on the bridge laws site. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I think its a close call, and i can live with both 5H and pass. I think 5 seconds is a normal tempo for an unusual bidding sequence. IMO bidding in tempo include some leeway for tough and unusual bidding wich is clearly the case here, bidding 5 over 4 or X or not decision are always tricky. The sad fact here is that the slow double clearly suggest pulling and if everybody agree there was a tempo break then you have no choice to put 4Sx making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 If my pd will take my double with this hand out, I will hate him. Sorry Codo, it seems I was right on this hand but now my partner hates me.Next time I'll pass and be loved :P. Let's hope that then 4♠ is one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I think its a close call, and i can live with both 5H and pass. I think 5 seconds is a normal tempo for an unusual bidding sequence. IMO bidding in tempo include some leeway for tough and unusual bidding wich is clearly the case here, bidding 5 over 4 or X or not decision are always tricky. I agree. Unfortunately for EW I was the last player on the appeals panel to be located and so was not on the Appeal Committee. They should have started looking in the bar. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I do not understand the ruling at all.Frances (in the other threat) had it right. A weak two bidder bids again. That makes me think about this issue for some seconds.We play together the first time. Is pass forcing? Sorry, but the descission was nuts. I had needed more time to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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