2/1 with a bad suit and support?

[kenberg]

Thanks Roger. If I can presume a little, I guess you are saying either that the auction 1H-1N-2m-4H doesn't exist, or perhaps only exists if 1N was bid with the expectation of bidding 3H over, say, 2C from opener but after a 2D bid, coupled with a top of the range 1N, it now seems 4H is worth the try. A rare to non-existent auction, in other words.

 

Anyway, back to the current hand. Mike Lawrence in his 2/1 disk gives credit to Paul Soloway for the idea that 1H-2C-3D should show a 5-5 with good cards, 1H-2C-2D-something-3D shows a weak 5-5. Of course most instead now play the first auction as a splinter with club support. Whatever the case, it seems 6H should be reached after the 2C bid although that J of spades is a very important card and a bit hard to show.

[Gerben42]

It doesn't need to but it does.

 

That's a question of agreement. If it does, what does 1♥ - 1N - 2♣ - 3N mean, for example? I miscounted partner?

 

For me, this shows a 3.5 NT bid (agreement).

[rogerclee]

Thanks Roger. If I can presume a little, I guess you are saying either that the auction 1H-1N-2m-4H doesn't exist, or perhaps only exists if 1N was bid with the expectation of bidding 3H over, say, 2C from opener but after a 2D bid, coupled with a top of the range 1N, it now seems 4H is worth the try. A rare to non-existent auction, in other words.

Yes, except this sort of thing is far from rare.

 

For example, ♠Axx ♥Kxxx ♦Ax ♣xxx opposite a 1♠ opener would be a typical example of a hand which has greatly improved opposite a 2♦ rebid but would only invite opposite a 2♣ rebid.

[Codo]

For me, this shows a 3.5 NT bid (agreement).

3,5 NT? Then your 1 NT answer should be 100 % forcing, just in case. :)

[Apollo81]

Thanks Roger. If I can presume a little, I guess you are saying either that the auction 1H-1N-2m-4H doesn't exist, or perhaps only exists if 1N was bid with the expectation of bidding 3H over, say, 2C from opener but after a 2D bid, coupled with a top of the range 1N, it now seems 4H is worth the try. A rare to non-existent auction, in other words.

Yes, except this sort of thing is far from rare.

 

For example, ♠Axx ♥Kxxx ♦Ax ♣xxx opposite a 1♠ opener would be a typical example of a hand which has greatly improved opposite a 2♦ rebid but would only invite opposite a 2♣ rebid.

Agree with roger. Switch the ♥K and ♦A to create an even more clear example.