han Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Q10x10xxxxQK109x KJxKQxAKJxxxx South deals, the opponents are silent. How would you bid these two hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 1♦-1♥3♦-3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I think most auctions lead to 3N. 1♠ is also a possible rebid possible with the South hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I think a KS auction would start 1D-1H-1S-1N with 1N showing 8 points of fewer. Opener would now bid 2H to show this type of hand. Whether responder takes another bid, I don't know, but I imagine opener would carry on to game with any further action from responder. Playing standard methods, I don't see much way to avoid 1D-1H-3D-3N. Aren't there some gimmicks to show this 3-card raise type (the BW death hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 If we're allowed gimmicks, I bid1♦ 1♥2♠ Various raises 2NT Relay3♦ 6-3 invitation4♥The cost of playing an artificial 2♠ in this auction is small: how often do you want to bid 1♦-1♥; 1♠-pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 2D-2NT-3NT. Using 2D =13-17, 5+D, usu no 4cM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaztaz Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Playing WJ2005, it may go 1D 1H3D 3H?4H? 3D shows 15-17 with 6 diamonds and 3 hearts, so the heart fit is uncovered. Whether North can now bid 4H rather than signing off in 3H is questionable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 1D 1H2S 2N3H 4H I think the south hand is worth a GF as 3D will cause us to miss too many games, more than the amount of bad games we will get to by GFing. Even if I didn't think it was worth a GF I would just overbid so that we have a much better shot at finding the right game/slam than by bidding 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I agree with both of gnasher's auctions.One way of seeing that the South hand is not a game force is that North has (just) a hand worth a move over 3D, has a fitting diamond honour, and you have an 8-card heart fit, and yet neither game is wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 FWIW I would pass 3D all day with the north hand and not think twice about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Hi, 1D - 1H3D - Pass With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 1♦ - 1♥2NT! - 3♣!3♦! - 3♥4♥ 2NT = 18-19 bal / GF 4♥ / GF 6+♦3♥3♣ = relay3♦ = 5+♦, no 3♥ unless 6-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I think most auctions lead to 3N. 1♠ is also a possible rebid possible with the South hand. That's what I was thinking... 1♦-1♥1♠-1NT-2♥-3♥4♥ I might stop in 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I think most auctions lead to 3N. 1♠ is also a possible rebid possible with the South hand. That's what I was thinking... 1♦-1♥1♠-1NT-2♥-3♥4♥ I might stop in 2♥. Bidding over 2H on this auction is really crazy, it is normal for partner to bid this way with all 5431 15 counts and some nice 5431 14 counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 1D 1H2S 2N3H 4H I think the south hand is worth a GF as 3D will cause us to miss too many games, more than the amount of bad games we will get to by GFing. Even if I didn't think it was worth a GF I would just overbid so that we have a much better shot at finding the right game/slam than by bidding 3D. The general statement is fine, but what makes you think jump shifting into a three card major gives you any sort of a better shot at finding the right strain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think we rate to find a better strain by bidding 2S rather than 3D because we will be able to depict a hand with short clubs, and we will be able to show our 3 card support. Of course if partner is 4-4 in the majors this could backfire (although it might not, 4M might be better than 3N in that case anyways), but overall we do a much better job describing our general hand type and we give partner more room so he is not endplayed over 3D. Partner is not going to rebid a mediocre 5 card heart suit over 3D very often, and might be endplayed into bidding 3N with Jxx/Qxx of clubs or whatever when he wouldn't if he knew we had short clubs. I guess it's up for debate but to me it seems clear that on average bidding 2S will lead to us getting to the right strain more often than bidding 3D. I also think it will get us to the right level more often too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Free's auction if gadgets are allowed. Otherwise 1D 1H 3D 3NTBidding 3NT is pushy, byt the Q of D is a great card.I think a jump shift to 2S totally misrepresents the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 One way of seeing that the South hand is not a game force is that North has (just) a hand worth a move over 3D, has a fitting diamond honour, and you have an 8-card heart fit, and yet neither game is wonderful. I think that 3NT is a very good contract. 4H not so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 FWIW I would pass 3D all day with the north hand and not think twice about it. I cannot imagine passing with that diamond Q (and the rest of the hand, of course). That card has to fill in his suit.. if not to create 6 winners immediately, then surely to establish 5 with his having compensating strength elsewhere if the Q doesn't solidify his suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 FWIW I would pass 3D all day with the north hand and not think twice about it. I cannot imagine passing with that diamond Q (and the rest of the hand, of course). That card has to fill in his suit.. if not to create 6 winners immediately, then surely to establish 5 with his having compensating strength elsewhere if the Q doesn't solidify his suit. Agree, that card has to be worth double (or more) what it would be worth in a side suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 The general statement is fine, but what makes you think jump shifting into a three card major gives you any sort of a better shot at finding the right strain? Because you will show a 3 card raise with strenght in S and shortness in clubs. What more do you want ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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