gwnn Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 AQxxxxATxxAxx 1♦-? unfavorable imps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 lol no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Depend on style and method. If partner rigourushly bids his 4-card majors, I wouldn't. If I have a more flexible reply-scheme, I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Leave this hand for our reopening scheme. IF partner reopens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I was taught that this kind of hand is the reason why one should reopen when at all possible... so pass in comfort that partner will only pass 'when it's right' :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I find 1N a lot more appealing than double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 If you are determined not to Pass (the "right call" with this IMO) then bid 1NT. Why tell partner that you have short diamonds and opening hand when you don't have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Pass. I prefer classic takeout shape for my doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hi, Pass. If you want to bid, bid 1NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I was listening to the experts and a certain gold star for whom I have great respect said that the modern view is to double even with this hand. This time double didn't have any good or bad influences. Declarer played him for short diamonds but it didn't matter anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 If you want to bid, bid 1NT. No. Don't bid 1NT unless you have a decent 15-count... I don't think Dbl is that crazy, many good things can happen. Still, pass wouldn't be crazy either and would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Pass, but I hate it, double is not crazy. 1NT I don't understand at all, it's just a silly overbid. Silly because nothing prevents us from agreeing 14-17NTs, if we want to overcall 1NT on bad 14's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I agree that 1NT is just silly. Some strong players would double but it is not my cup of tea, I would pass and not lose any sleep over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Pass for me, but I don't mind double either. I would not overcall 1NT because I don't think the hand is quite worth it. But I would not be as unkind as MFA and Han when describing the bid. i.e. I think it is a slight stretch, an overbid, rather than 'just silly'. Anyway, even though I like 1NT a lot more than MFA and Han do, I still don't like it enough to bid it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think it is a big overbid, and I really don't see any reason to do it. I just don't understand why anybody would choose such a bid so I think it is silly in that sense. If you want to overcall 1NT this light then you should just agree to do so. If you agree not to do so then you shouldn't. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I kind of like double, since this is a pretty good 14. If you are getting in with a 4333, there isn't much difference between this and if the hand had ♦xxx/♣ATxx, which I'll bet everyone is doubling on. Its the 4333 12 counts that turn my stomach. 1N is silly. The hand is a lightweight. You can't really shade a 1N overcall unless the hand has some serious playing strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I would double (and I suspect many other passers would as well) if my shape were 4333 or 3433, and maybe 3334, but this shape is just too wrong... it is not so much that it lacks the offensive strength if partner has a 5 card suit, or even some moysians, as it is that this is too defensive and too notrump oriented for a double, and lacks the strength to bid 1N. Pass is what it left, and it is not a crime to pass holding an opening hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 lol no agree, no matter what happens, partner won't be picking our best suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 If you are getting in with a 4333, there isn't much difference between this and if the hand had ♦xxx/♣ATxx, which I'll bet everyone is doubling on. I wouldn't double with that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think it is a big overbid, and I really don't see any reason to do it. I just don't understand why anybody would choose such a bid so I think it is silly in that sense. If you want to overcall 1NT this light then you should just agree to do so. If you agree not to do so then you shouldn't. I think. Doesn't all of that apply to double as well? I'm not defending a 1NT overcall, but I don't think double is any less of an overbid. The only difference is what is being overstated: 1NT overstates the high card strength, and double overstates the playing strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I don't think double overstates playing strength. I think it gives the wrong picture of our hand type. If partner bids game expecting it to make then he'll probably make it opposite this hand. However, the main danger is that partner will overcompete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I don't think double overstates playing strength. I think it gives the wrong picture of our hand type. If partner bids game expecting it to make then he'll probably make it opposite this hand. However, the main danger is thaat partner will overcompete. For me: 1NT would overstate the high cards I am holding.X would obverstate the support I have for the unbid suits. And since I like to compete agressively, if I think I have found a (double) fit, this is much worser, than if partner claims I happen to hold 15HCP, when he is just holding 14HCP, which happen to be based on Aces and Kings. Hence I prefer 1 NT to X, if I cant pass, since X will more likelylead to overcompeting. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: I am also passing as well, if the 4 card suit happens is not diamonds, make the diamond suit xxx, and I willagree, that now a t/o is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I don't think double overstates playing strength. I think it gives the wrong picture of our hand type. If partner bids game expecting it to make then he'll probably make it opposite this hand. However, the main danger is thaat partner will overcompete. agree with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I kind of like double, since this is a pretty good 14. If you are getting in with a 4333, there isn't much difference between this and if the hand had ♦xxx/♣ATxx, which I'll bet everyone is doubling on. Its the 4333 12 counts that turn my stomach. Hmm, I find it a big difference, and I would certainly double with the minors reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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