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Quite incredibly, after going for 1100, 1400 and 1400 on consecutive boards, the Germans abandoned their semi-final versus England mid-segment.  I have never seen such poor sportsmanship in bridge.  What should the penalty be?

I think they should be forced to attend the Victory Dinner with t-shirts bearing the slogan "I voted for Angela Merkel".

 

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Why is it bad sportsmanship? I would say that, if anything, it is bad sportsmanship to continue playing in a hopeless position. Even when you are a lot up, it is still tiring to continue concentrating and you might think that forcing England to play on, while Italy are having an early night, would be unfair on England.

 

Conceding mid-segment is unusual, but only because there's always the chance that teammates have done something spectacular.

 

My guess from the (lack of) swangames running scores is that Norway conceded against Italy before the last segment started. Is that also bad sportsmanship?

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Why is it bad sportsmanship?

It's bad sportsmanship because once you decide to sit down to play, you are committed to playing the full set and not leave the room in disgust! You are obviously entitled to forfeit due to a medical condition, but that was not the case.

 

Please note that Norway conceded after a session. That is completely different.

 

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Quite incredibly, after going for 1100, 1400 and 1400 on consecutive boards, the Germans abandoned their semi-final versus England mid-segment.  I have never seen such poor sportsmanship in bridge.  What should the penalty be?

Their daughters should be turned over to me.

 

May seem a little harsh to those who know me, but they deserve it.

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Ask the England players - surely they are far happier with the concession midway  and an earlier night than having to play an additional 10 pointless boards...?

I don't know.

This kind of unusual stuff can distort their flow.

Playing 10 more boards is no problem when things are going your way.

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I take a less extreme position. It's obviously bad sportsmanship to walk away without saying anything, but (depending on the score before the 3 disasters) it might be appropropriate to stop play for a minute and call the director and respective NPCs and if all agree then concede the match.

 

Of course in the future let's hope sponsorship takes off so that the match has to be played through to the end for commercial reasons. :-)

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althought usually i am a german fan in most sports i think the wbf should ban germany from the next bermuda bowl (they qualified for it beeing 2nd of the european championship in Pau)

I disagree. They should ban the two players involved from international play for a very long time. But not do anything at all with the rest of the German team, in Beijing now or next years Bermuda Bowl.

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Fatigue and stress are a medical condition like straining a muscle for a tennis player. I find much more "disgusting" Norway conceding cold blooded (world and european reigning champions... THEY have to set up standards). Germany played a terrific tournment and they should not be judged for 2 minutes of folly. Anyway i am sure, as someone else has already said, that both Italy and England appreciated...
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Does anybody know the particular circumstances? Wasn't there a TD?

I read just the message about the anticipated end of the match while I was watching at the other table.

IMO it is very inequitable to denounce the whole team, I know all members more or less well, and at least 4-5 of them don't deserve it, I know them as sportsmen. Sure, a team is a team (or should be), but what can the others do when 1 member cannot control a sudden dropout? Ban him, punish him, perhaps also his partner because he wasn't able to have a positive influence on him, but the others didn't do anything wrong.

And, as others said before, the English team has no disadvantage, quite the contrary.

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Highly unusual, don't see why wrong.

 

Unless there are regulations forbidding this, don't see why they should be punished.

 

They don't owe explanatations to anyone but partners, captain and federation.

 

If DBV (after this) judges they are in the BB team, it is their choice.

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I find much more "disgusting" Norway conceding cold blooded (world and european reigning champions... THEY have to set up standards).

Conceding in a knock-out match with a segment to play when down a suitable margin is completely normal and happens frequently in major tournaments. If anything it's the ethical thing to do by not wasting everyone's time playing on pointlessly.

 

Conceding mid-segment is completely different and is without precedent as far as I'm aware.

 

Walking out mid-session is not acceptable in a social home game, it's not acceptable in a club duplicate and it's certainly not acceptable in a world championship semi-final.

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As for me, I think it's necessary to know more details about what exactly has happened. I can't really imagine that they have just risen after four bad boards without saying a word and walked out of the room. Obviously the Germans had to cooperate, unless there was present some sort of telepathy. So if they agreed on it with opponents, or at least explaining their intentions, I consider it being perfectly correct. After all, in many sports you can see players give up if they play somewhat terribly. I think the closest to bridge are other mind-sports, like poker or chess. And is it not a typical ending in these two games that one side gives up?
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Ask the England players - surely they are far happier with the concession midway  and an earlier night than having to play an additional 10 pointless boards...?

Italy earned the extra rest by beating Norway soundly. i think the walkout is unsporting.

italy earned a rest by beating Norway soundly, but england don't earn a rest by beating Germany soundly?

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I'm not sure about punishments bridge-wise, but if these two players have a doctor in medicine i really would not want to have them as my doctors. They might walk out on me in the middle of a complicated brain surgery just because it does not work out as they had expected. :)
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Bridge is a game where emotions are tested. The higher up the game you play, the more extreme the emotions. Without emotion bridge is nothing; so a little understanding of the extreme stress that germans felt might go a long way here. No one wants to make mistakes, but when they are of atomic proportions, then sometimes the resultant actions are equally extreme. All bridge players have felt like this at one time or another. I vote for a sympathetic approach.
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