skjaeran Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=skt852hkt4dakq87c]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♠ - 2♣2♦ - 2NT3♦ - 5♦?[/hv]2NT=GF (2♠ and 3♣ would not have been forcing) What do you expect partner to have?What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I would expect a 1=3=4=5 minimum game force. It could be suitable hands for slam such as:A QJx xxxx AKxxxx AQx xxxx AQxxx Or a not so suitable hands for slam such as:x QJx JTxx AKQxx I think we are somewhat on a guess. The question is on which of the above hands might partner have been more willing to cooperate with a 4♦ bid. My guess is that he would cooperate on all but the quackiest 2/1s, so I'm going to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 IMO this jump should show good trumps but not all that much else in terms of slam suitability. I don't think partner has that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I would pass 5♦. Even if we are not off 2 quick tricks, there may not be 12 tricks available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I don't like to answer questions like this since partner never has what I think he is supposed to. These jumps should so rarely be made. I will guess he has a spade void and bid 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 In theory, pard should have something like JxxxxJxxAKQJx Since I'm not going to guess stuff, I'll just pass now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Pass. Bidding on could be right, but most likely wrong. Partner could have bid 4♦ with a decentish hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I have no idea what this shows with standard meanings. For me, a jump to game in this sequence would be a picture bid, as some have suggested. However, that meaning is impossible, as I am looking at the A-K-Q in trumps. So, I would be reduced to coming up with the answer to what mistake partner just made. Of course, knowing something about bidding styles, and cuebidding styles, would help tremendously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Pass, and I won't construct my partners hand, i'll see it soon enough. :P He asks me not go any higher, else he would bid 4♦.Besides that, the club void does not make me happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Pass. If slam makes, partner should not have bid 5D. I dont even think that making the 5D bid should be allowed, 3D did not limit openers hand, it justshowed 5-5, hence responder should use 4D.... this assumes that 4D has not been agreed as RKCB. I believe that you should always check for 6m, if you are going to play 5m. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 In theory, pard should have something like JxxxxJxxAKQJx Since I'm not going to guess stuff, I'll just pass now. ... and one could argue, that this is not enough toforce to game.Ok the jacks are in partners suit, but still this is a dead min. 2NT bid at best. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: Maybe it would help to know, what 2H instead of 2NTwould have been, FSF ok, but inv.+ or game forcing?And if the 2NT bid promised a stopper in hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 We're not a regular partnership, so not that many agreements. 2♥ would be 4th suit GF.We use italian style cuebids, no picture jumps. 5♦ is weaker than any alternative over 3♦. If I'd bid 4♣ over 3♦ I'd intend that as a cuebid agreeing ♦s, partner would take it as a natural slam try, though. :P 3♦ over 2♣ would show a strong 5-5, thus this sequence shows a weaker hand, 11-15(16). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 5♦ is weaker than any alternative over 3♦. Why didn't you say so :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 In theory, pard should have something like JxxxxJxxAKQJx Since I'm not going to guess stuff, I'll just pass now. ... and one could argue, that this is not enough toforce to game. True. But people do force with stuff like that. Maybe that's what pard's trying to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I'll hazard a guess, based on the new info. ♠Qx ♥Qx ♦Jxxx ♣AKQxx I think he bid 2NT to see if I was 6-4 or was NT suitable. Sure, I have a VERY strong hand contextually, being a maximum in the range. And, I like having K-empty rather than KQ in spades. However, one of two things should happen here. Either I upgrade this initially, or partner gives me space for when I have this hand. If I am supposed to guess now what to do, the bidding has gone wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 I held x QJ9 T98x AKJxx I might have bid 3♥ or 4♦ over 3♦. 3♥ would have made it easy for partner as it was - he'd have jumped to a natural 4NT and I'd have signed off in 5♦. As it went, partner raised to 6♦ after a long tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ KT852 ♥ KT4 ♦ AKQ87 ♣ [space] 1♠ - 2♣2♦ - 2NT3♦ - 5♦? 2NT=GF (2♠ and 3♣ would not have been forcing) What do you expect partner to have?What's your call? ok easy 1nt semiforcing(pard may pass) over 1s.......your...style may be other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 I held x QJ9 T98x AKJxx I might have bid 3♥ or 4♦ over 3♦. 3♥ would have made it easy for partner as it was - he'd have jumped to a natural 4NT and I'd have signed off in 5♦. As it went, partner raised to 6♦ after a long tank. That's one stretcher GF, but somewhat in the ballpark. I don't think partner should have bid again, however. Adding in the Quacks necessary to bump this into my comfort level does not help the slam at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 skaeran: perhaps you could have bid 3NT instead of 5♦. Unless you fetch pard with a singleton heart, 3NT rates to be at least the same odds as 5♦, if not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 If you bid 2C you will have to GF, this hand does not seem strong enough after a 1S opening. (Especially not when playing with someone who opens as light as Harald does!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Heck why didn't you just raise 2♦ to 3♦? Then partner bids 3♥ and you can happily bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 skaeran: perhaps you could have bid 3NT instead of 5♦. Unless you fetch pard with a singleton heart, 3NT rates to be at least the same odds as 5♦, if not better. That's because I wanted partner to be able to raise to 6♦ on Axxxx x AKQxx Qx for example. It's an absolute maximum for his auction, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Heck why didn't you just raise 2♦ to 3♦? Then partner bids 3♥ and you can happily bid 3NT. Agree that's the best solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 If you bid 2C you will have to GF, this hand does not seem strong enough after a 1S opening. (Especially not when playing with someone who opens as light as Harald does!) That's true, and my partner on the occasion is also a pretty light opener. However, he's often a trick better than most as declarer... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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