Bid and rebid

[Echognome]

Oh yeah, the hand -

 

I'd bid 1D then 2D. Don't mind the 2C rebid. Having rebid 2C, making another move over 2D is ridiculous, game is so anti-percentage at this point. I consider a 2H continuation over 2D to be natural NF.

I think ridiculous is an overbid.

 

Imagine responder with:

AT9xx

xxx

Kx

Qxx

 

How do you expect him to bid after it has gone 1♦ - 1♠; 2♣ - ?

 

Isn't the point of bidding 2♥ to catch the 8 or 9 count opposite and find game?

[the hog]

I would rebid 2♣ and then pattern out with 2♥ after p takes preference with 2♦.

 

This is a good hand for 4th suit forcing for only one round. Suppose partner raises my 2♣ bid. Since I play 4th suit forcing to game, 3♣ will have a somewhat wide range. I would pass 3♣ but could miss game.

 

With a slightly weaker hand I would rebid 1NT.

Pattern out- showing a 1354 hand? Two suits are the wrong length there Helene.

I'd rebid 1NT

[gnasher]

Not sure what you mean by FSF in this context.

 

Are you suggesting that 2H is completely artificial? That you might bid 2H with (say) a singleton just to create a force?

With a singleton I'd usually be suitable for a natural 2♠, 3♣ or 3♦ instead. I meant that it was Fourth Suit Forcing in the traditional sense of being artificial, asking for further information, and not having a good bid. In this context that would typically be a 2=2=5=4 17-count without much in hearts.

 

With a hand suitable for a natural 2♥, eg a 1=3=5=4 17-count with heart values, I would, instead, make the natural bid of 2NT. With a strong 0=4=5=4, I'd have reversed in the first place.

[joker_gib]

2♦ I don't specially like it but have nothing else (1NT = never with single in my partnership, 2c hum, reverse = awful)

[dake50]

Luckily I open 4cM even canape 5cm, so I opened 1H, with easy 2D rebid.

[OleBerg]

I would rebid 2♣ and then pattern out with 2♥ after p takes preference with 2♦.

If 2♣ followed by 2♥ is pattering out, I don't see why it should be any weaker than an immediate 2♥. In either case partner may be forced to give preference at the three level. All it does is misstate your shape in addition to overstating your values.

Agree.

 

Bidding that way should indicate 5♦, 4♣ and 3 (good) ♥.

 

As to the original question I'd overbid with 2♥ on the second round.

 

At least I only misstate strength.

[mike777]

How would you bid this hand:

 

x

AK10x

QJ10xx

AJx

 

If you open 1D, what do you plan to rebid if partner bids 1S?

2c

 

If one decides to play strongish reverses, and focus a bidding system on majors or nt contracts, the minors will suffer.

 

If partner rebids 2s over 2c I pass.

[awm]

Well it's an unhappy in-between hand. With one point less I would rebid 1NT (not concerned about doing this with a singleton). Add the heart jack and it's a clear reverse in my style (where reverse shows sixteen-plus).

 

I think on these cards I would bid 1NT at MP and 2♥ at IMPs. I'm not going to distort my shape with 2♣, as this makes it harder to find a heart fit than any other continuation and doesn't really help me find any games I won't find otherwise (assuming I would pass a 2♦ correction).

[mike777]

Well it's an unhappy in-between hand. With one point less I would rebid 1NT (not concerned about doing this with a singleton). Add the heart jack and it's a clear reverse in my style (where reverse shows sixteen-plus).

 

I think on these cards I would bid 1NT at MP and 2♥ at IMPs. I'm not going to distort my shape with 2♣, as this makes it harder to find a heart fit than any other continuation and doesn't really help me find any games I won't find otherwise (assuming I would pass a 2♦ correction).

It is not stated but in this forum if we are playing reverse flannery it reduces this concern. That influences my choice of 2c.

[jdonn]

I think on these cards I would bid 1NT at MP and 2♥ at IMPs. I'm not going to distort my shape with 2♣, as this makes it harder to find a heart fit than any other continuation and doesn't really help me find any games I won't find otherwise (assuming I would pass a 2♦ correction).

The last sentence ignores that the range for partner to bid 2NT or 3♣ over 2♣ is slightly lower than the range to invite over a 1NT rebid. So rebidding 2♣ does help find a few games that 1NT would lose, particularly in notrump (while probably losing some in hearts of course).

[awm]

I think on these cards I would bid 1NT at MP and 2♥ at IMPs. I'm not going to distort my shape with 2♣, as this makes it harder to find a heart fit than any other continuation and doesn't really help me find any games I won't find otherwise (assuming I would pass a 2♦ correction).

The last sentence ignores that the range for partner to bid 2NT or 3♣ over 2♣ is slightly lower than the range to invite over a 1NT rebid. So rebidding 2♣ does help find a few games that 1NT would lose, particularly in notrump (while probably losing some in hearts of course).

But the hands that bid 3♣ often are upgrading for the "big club fit" (i.e. shapely hands with ace-empty in spades and five-card club support) and actually we might reach more bad games than good in that particular sequence.

 

I'm not convinced that the 2NT bid should be lighter than over a 1NT rebid, considering that people open lighter hands with 5-4 or 5-5 in the minors than with balanced shape, as well as 2♣ having a wider range than rebidding 1NT. It seems a lot safer to just avoid passing 2♣ unless dog minimum and let partner push with extras over a 2♦ correction.