han Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Red against white, IMPs x109xxxxxxAJ8x (1C) - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Guilty. The hand obviously doesn't resemble a weak jump at all, so the only choices are Pass or 1♥. With a nice 6-4, I am afraid I will overcall 1♥ here. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Red against white, IMPs ♠ x ♥ T9xxxx ♦ xx ♣ AJ8x(1♣) ?? IMO _P = 10, 2♥ = 5, 1♥ = 4This seems to be a minority view, but you are unlikely to win the auction and you may not relish a ♥ lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Why the sad face 653321? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Sorry, no at red / white. Or at r/r now w/w. At w/r I bid 2♥. Move my AJ into hearts and I would overcall. 1♥ is not very preemptive, and I don't want a heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Why the sad face 653321?Well, often these 'Would you overcall' threads are WTP bids, where passing is just bad. This hand is different - I can't say that passing is wrong - we do after all only have 5HCP. Even so I would definitely bid, but I can't claim that bidding is obvious or clearly correct. There are very real downsides. But it is often a good thing to get into an auction, the hand has playing strength, so... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I prefer 2 hearts to one heart, and at this vulnerability I will do neither. I want partner to trust that I either have close to an opening hand or a suit I want led when overcalling at the 1 level; this hand does not fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Pass. What are your favourite drinks? I may come and visit you, but maybe "far away"means really far away, so dont count on it. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I would overcall 1H yesterday, today and tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 2♥. 6-4, bid more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 2♥ is a wtp for me. (Well the problem might be -800. tried it before.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 What ARE my choices? May I Rapter 1NT and rebid 2H (some appeal as shows weak distributional)? May I wjo 2H without top H --is this expectable in this partnership(that has appeal)? My partnership severely restricts 1H, but 2H is free-wheeling so this works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I still think that bidding 1 Heart from this garbage to lets say Kxx,AKQxx,xx,AJx makes it impossible for pd to judge the later bidding if the opponents bid quick and high. But I must admit that f.e. Wladow-Elinescu play this way with remarkable success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 1♥ is ridiculous: you don't have strength, you don't have suit quality. The only thing you have is distribution, but that alone doesn't get you anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Han, You are seriously going overboard with these 1 level overcalls. I think you are taking a good idea (overcall at the 1 level with weakish distributional hands) way too far. Here you are vul against not and there just isn't much merit to bidding. If you have a game you will almost always get in anyways, you don't want the lead, it's very unlikely you want to save, it's risky that partner will bid too much in a competitive auction and go for a number vulnerable, etc etc. There is just very little merit to bidding at these colors with this hand. I would ask you what you are trying to achieve. As far as 2H, if you aren't english or dutch or under 20 years old I think it wouldn't occur to you. Oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'm an American bridge player and well over 20. Besides, who said I overcalled 1H or even had this hand? It's the hogs and gnashers and 653321's that you should be lecturing Roger! Alright, you guessed it, I did overcall 1H. The auction was: 1C - 1H - 1S - 2S3S - p - p - 4Hp - p - 4S - all pass. 4S is down one (should have been down 2 the way declarer played it) and 4H would also have been down 1. Partner had KJx KJxx KQJ10 Qx. I'm not sure why partner didn't double, he has a 16-count and I made a red vs white overcall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'm an American bridge player and well over 20. Besides, who said I overcalled 1H or even had this hand? It's the hogs and gnashers and 653321's that you should be lecturing Roger! Alright, you guessed it, I did overcall 1H. The auction was: 1C - 1H - 1S - 2S3S - p - p - 4Hp - p - 4S - all pass. 4S is down one (should have been down 2 the way declarer played it) and 4H would also have been down 1. Partner had KJx KJxx KQJ10 Qx. I'm not sure why partner didn't double, he has a 16-count and I made a red vs white overcall! So if you pass and partner doubles lefty's 1♠, you get to another contract? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 If you read my post as suggesting that it was the 1H call that lead to a great result, and therefore 1H is a good bid then, you misunderstood my intentions. Often people like to know what happened at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 your p had QTx, not KJx in spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Ah ok that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 an, You are seriously going overboard with these 1 level overcalls. I think you are taking a good idea (overcall at the 1 level with weakish distributional hands) way too far. Here you are vul against not and there just isn't much merit to bidding. If you have a game you will almost always get in anyways, you don't want the lead, it's very unlikely you want to save, it's risky that partner will bid too much in a competitive auction and go for a number vulnerable, etc etc. There is just very little merit to bidding at these colors with this hand. Agree 100% overcalling is pointless. Change the vul and i still think 1H is pointless but now 2H is a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Han, You are seriously going overboard with these 1 level overcalls. I think you are taking a good idea (overcall at the 1 level with weakish distributional hands) way too far. Here you are vul against not and there just isn't much merit to bidding. If you have a game you will almost always get in anyways, you don't want the lead, it's very unlikely you want to save, it's risky that partner will bid too much in a competitive auction and go for a number vulnerable, etc etc. There is just very little merit to bidding at these colors with this hand. I would ask you what you are trying to achieve. As far as 2H, if you aren't english or dutch or under 20 years old I think it wouldn't occur to you. Oh wait... You are just bitter about when I overcalled 1♠ vul on QJxxxx and out, you bid 1NT and I bid 2♠, I got doubled in 2 and went down a trick on a trump endplay for -200 and win 5 vs our teammates finding 3NT. I knew you were so mad it worked :( I would bid 1♥ always on this, except perhaps in certain favorable vuls/seats I would bid 2 instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Are you sure that this was against me? I don't remember ever getting a bad score in a team match against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Are you sure that this was against me? I don't remember ever getting a bad score in a team match against you. It was IRL the time I played with clee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Ah, I thought you were quoting my post but it was Roger's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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