Walddk Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 You are vulnerable against not with ... ♠ KQ104 ♥ 8 ♦ AKQ10 ♣ AJ85 RHO opens a weak 2♥, you double, LHO passes and your partner responds 2NT (Lebensohl). What is your next bid? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 3hno problem yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 3♥ seems clear on values. I want to be in 5m on a wide range of partner's hands, and if partner has an invitational hand with spades, this is clearly our best start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I think this is close between accepting the puppet to 3♣ and forcing to game. The spot cards convince me that this is a sufficiently "good 19" to force. Partner's range for the lebensohl bid is something like 0-8, but 5-8 should be more common than 0-4. And I might make 5m opposite the club king and a five-card minor suit and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I'll try a second double, this should describe my hand well :( Now seriously, some ideas:- Partner will usually have 4 hearts;- Considering that 2nt should be played as 0-7 on this position, there's a much bigger probability that partner will be a maximum rather than a minimum;- Considering partner's shape, and adding that frequently partner has 4 hearts, and that often with 3433 hand will bid 2♠ (won't you?), it's an around 40% chance that partner will have a 5+ card minor So the average hand for partner is a 4♥(432) 5-6 hcp count hand, and you should take your decision in front of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I'll break the trend and just complete the relay. My hand isn't SO huge I'm that worried about missing a game if partner was intending to drop dead. From my experience doing something other than completing just tends to endplay partner in the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 3H, 100% clear. Even when partner is very weak I may well manage to make 4 of a minor on a 4-4 fit. To just complete the relay does not show the value of my hand and the cue shows a great 18 (19 usually). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 3H, 100% clear. Even when partner is very weak I may well manage to make 4 of a minor on a 4-4 fit. To just complete the relay does not show the value of my hand and the cue shows a great 18 (19 usually). I take it that you are implicitly saying that if partner, over 3H, wants to play 5C he had better bid 5C since you will pass 4C. Personally, I'm fine with this. Is it how most would play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 3H, 100% clear. Even when partner is very weak I may well manage to make 4 of a minor on a 4-4 fit. To just complete the relay does not show the value of my hand and the cue shows a great 18 (19 usually). I take it that you are implicitly saying that if partner, over 3H, wants to play 5C he had better bid 5C since you will pass 4C. Personally, I'm fine with this. Is it how most would play? I think so. 3♥ must show a great hand with ideal shape. If 4mi is all partner can come up with now, I pass. By the way, I agree that the hand is just too good for a relay-obeying 3♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Wow kind of surprised with all the 3♥ votes. Are the 3♥ bidders passing 3N? Where's our source of tricks? I kind of like 4♣. A relevant question should be what do the big club hands do; cue and then 4♣ or a direct 4♣ over 2N? Either way, whatever shows a big hand with a lot of places to play is my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbr Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 This is a weird question, but can someone explain what the Lebensohl method involves? Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 This is a weird question, but can someone explain what the Lebensohl method involves? Thank you very much. Link to Leb There are no weird (or stupid) questions around here, only answers that take a little bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Wow kind of surprised with all the 3♥ votes. .... Either way, whatever shows a big hand with a lot of places to play is my choice. Which I believe is 3♥.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I kind of like 4♣. A relevant question should be what do the big club hands do; cue and then 4♣ or a direct 4♣ over 2N? Does 4♣ show a better hand then 3♦ and is 3♦ not a better bid then 4♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 3D. I dont mind 3H, but 3D gives partner a chanceto check out, and it showes roughly the same strength, maybe a 5th diamond. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 3D. I dont mind 3H, but 3D gives partner a chanceto check out, and it showes roughly the same strength, maybe a 5th diamond. With kind regardsMarlowe It maybe shows a 5. Diamond?It maybe shows a 6. diamond and more or less promisses a 5. Besides this, I think a much better approach would be if this shows a good hand for CLUBS, not a good hand for diamonds. 3 HEart gives partner a chance to check out at 4 in each minor, a small risk compared to the reward you may receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 3♥ planning on passing 3NT if 2NT could contain a stopper, else bid 4♣ over 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Don't understand 4♣. Partner hasn't promised clubs. 4♣ does not say "if you have clubs I want to invite for 5♣". It says "whatever you have I am looking for 5♣". The choice is between 3♣ and 3♥. I would bid 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Wow kind of surprised with all the 3♥ votes. Are the 3♥ bidders passing 3N? Where's our source of tricks? I kind of like 4♣. A relevant question should be what do the big club hands do; cue and then 4♣ or a direct 4♣ over 2N? Either way, whatever shows a big hand with a lot of places to play is my choice. How exactly are the 3♥ bidders passing 3NT? Just does not fit in with the rest of your analysis describing a very strong hand with something like 4144 or 4054. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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