Minors over opener's major

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Partner opens 1♥ what do you respond playing 2/1

 

Partner bids 2♥ over a forcing 1NT

[ArtK78]

I bid a forcing 1NT in response to my partner's 1♥ opening.

 

If I am playing a nonforcing 1NT, I bid that. The club suit is not good enough for 2♣ followed by 3♣ if you play that as nonforcing, and it goes without saying that the hand is not good enough for a 2/1 if that is forcing to game.

 

When partner rebids 2♥ over my forcing or nonforcing 1NT response, I pass.

[Lobowolf]

1NT; then P.

[SlickRicky]

Hi,

 

1N and then pass seems clear enough. Sure clubs could play better, but why gamble over 2H when you have at least 7 of them and possibly 8, and no sure fit in clubs which you will have to play one level higher.

 

Ricky

[P_Marlowe]

1NT followed by Pass.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

1N and then pass seems clear enough. Sure clubs could play better, but why gamble over 2H when you have at least 7 of them and possibly 8, and no sure fit in clubs which you will have to play one level higher.

 

Ricky

Of course this assumes that 2H promises a 6 carder,

which it may or may not.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[dicklont]

1NT and pass.

P must have a 6-card else he would have bid 2♣/♦ (2♠ would be reverse).

Generally: when confronted with a misfit get out as soon as you can.

[P_Marlowe]

1NT and pass.

P must have a 6-card else he would have bid 2♣/♦ (2♠ would be reverse).

Generally: when confronted with a misfit get out as soon as you can.

What would he bid with 5-4 in the majors below reverse

strength?

 

Ok, if you happen to have the reasonable agreement,

that a 2C bid could be made on 2 cards only, than 2H

will promise 6 cards, but if not, and I am sure that the

mentioned agreement is not standard, 2H may just be a

5 carder.

 

Or do you play Flannery? Playing this, 5-4 is not possible,

hence the 2H bid would be a 6 carder.

 

Of course this does not change the decision to pass 2H,

because it is quite likely that partner happens to have 6,

and there is no assurance that a level on the 3 level will

be better.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[gwnn]

Ok, if you happen to have the reasonable agreement,

that a 2C bid could be made on 2 cards only, than 2H

will promise 6 cards, but if not, and I am sure that the

mentioned agreement is not standard, 2H may just be a

5 carder.

It's not standard, it's more like universal!

[fromageGB]

It's not standard, it's more like universal!

Maybe not 2 cards, but I would agree with 3. Surely everyone must play either 2♣ shows a club suit or is balanced, or better minor with balanced hand. Therefore 2♥ must be 6.

So, as everyone says, pass.

 

I actually bid 1♠ with this hand, Kaplan inversion 0 to 4 spades, and then pass the 2♥ rebid.

[han]

Gwnn of course referred to the 2H bid showing 6 that is universal, and rightly so.

[P_Marlowe]

It's not standard, it's more like universal!

Maybe not 2 cards, but I would agree with 3. Surely everyone must play either 2♣ shows a club suit or is balanced, or better minor with balanced hand. Therefore 2♥ must be 6.

So, as everyone says, pass.

 

I actually bid 1♠ with this hand, Kaplan inversion 0 to 4 spades, and then pass the 2♥ rebid.

2H can only show 6 cards, if a hand with 4 spades,

5 hearts, 2 diamonds, 2 clubs and below reverse

strength has a bid different bid available than 2H.

Unless my definition for balanced is different than

yours, this hand has to find a bid.

 

You may choose between Pass, 2C or 2D.

If you choose 2C, than 2C could be based on 2 cards

and a semi balanced hand.

And a semi balanced hand, is not a balanced hand, and

if you happen to alert the bid, you hopefully mention

semibalanced, else your explanation is simply wrong.

 

If you play that 2C / 2D always showes 3 cards, and

if you still requre that 2H showes 6 cards, than you play

 

#1 Flannery

#2 Kaplan Inversion or a derivate, missed that, I agree,

but to defend myself, Kaplan Inversion was not part of

the agreement set specified in the original post.

 

Now it may well be, that the majority of 2/1 players playes

 

2C could be 2 cards, some form of Kaplan Inversion or

Flannery, but my guess is, that there are 2/1 players

out there people, who dont, and I doubt that the size of the

group will be ignorable small.

It is up to you to claim, that no world clase player playes

a agreement set, without one of the above agreements.

 

But one thing should be clear, you need conv. agreements

so that 2H will always show 6 cards.

And you may of course assume that you have one of those

agreements in place.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[pclayton]

2♥ promises six. End of discussion. This isn't up for debate.

 

I pass 2♥.

[skjaeran]

It's not standard, it's more like universal!

Maybe not 2 cards, but I would agree with 3. Surely everyone must play either 2♣ shows a club suit or is balanced, or better minor with balanced hand. Therefore 2♥ must be 6.

So, as everyone says, pass.

 

I actually bid 1♠ with this hand, Kaplan inversion 0 to 4 spades, and then pass the 2♥ rebid.

2H can only show 6 cards, if a hand with 4 spades,

5 hearts, 2 diamonds, 2 clubs and below reverse

strength has a bid different bid available than 2H.

Unless my definition for balanced is different than

yours, this hand has to find a bid.

Playing 2/1 with a forcing 1NT, it's standard to rebid 2♣ over 1NT with 4522 and below reverse strength.

 

Playing a non-forcing NT (I do), you pass 1NT with such a hand.

 

Rebidding 2♥ does show a 6-bagger.