what you rebid?

[enruka]

♠AK♥A1043♦k108♣J854

 

Your pd open 1c,u resp 1h.when you heard Pd rebid 2D(17+hcp) ,what u rebid ?

[1eyedjack]

I bid 3C (GF, natural)

 

I play Lebensohl in an uncontested auction after a 2-level reverse.

[Free]

2♠, 4th suit GF, let partner tell more about his hand and stay low!

 

If he bids NT I know he has Qxx or better, so grand slam will be close I think. If he bids 3♥ it's less nice, but small slam is still very possible (♥ loser can be discarded on a ♠. Other answers will also make clear what to do later on...

[Flame]

In natural system i play that 3c isnt forcing but 3d is, therefore 4nt is RCB for club and im going to use it (if thats not true then ill create a club forcing with 2sp/4c), asking key card for club is usually a problem, and here too if partner has only one (or zero) im in truble , but i think i this is very rare and i can take the chances. after 4nt- 5c (0-3) [if playing 1430 its even easier because of 5c i can pass] ill ask for Q of club, and if p have it he will also show something else, like a side K, but i think ill bid 7 whenerver he got the Q anyway.

[Fluffy]

3♣, cheapest, and most describing.

 

 

If you are own of those who wanna do it all by themselves bid 2NT(moderateur or lebensohl, as you wanna call it) to investigate if he is maximum.

[inquiry]

Like oneeyedjack, I play lebenshol over reverese. If I didn't play that, i would use a leap to 4♣ here. Hopeful I play this as minorwood, but if not, at least I established trumps, and can now safely investigate if I am going to six or only 7.

 

Ben

[hrothgar]

Easy 3C bid, setting the trump suit.

 

2NT is likely to wrong side a contract.

I'll cuebid 4D after 3NT by partner.

[mishovnbg]

4♣-any-4NT-6/7♣ depend of KC

 

Misho

[1eyedjack]

Easy 3C bid, setting the trump suit.

 

2NT is likely to wrong side a contract.

I'll cuebid 4D after 3NT by partner.

Somehow I don't expect the position of declarer to be relevant on this deal

[luke warm]

i agree with free's 2♠ bid, game force 4th suit... now if pard bids 3♣ (which i expect), i bid 4♣ rkc.. if he bids 3♦ showing 5/5 or 5/6, i do the same.. even if he bids 3nt i bid 4♣ rkc

[luis]

2s if it is fourth suit forcing to game. This usually shows support for opener's second suit but in this particular case I don't care since the hand is either a slam or grand slam for us so I prefer to take the slow route, let pd clarify what kind of hand he has.

[mishovnbg]

2s if it is fourth suit forcing to game. This usually shows support for opener's second suit but in this particular case I don't care since the hand is either a slam or grand slam for us so I prefer to take the slow route, let pd clarify what kind of hand he has.

 

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Hi Luis!

 

The problem with "long way" is that partner need to know what exactly you play with him. Say if you support clubs later, is this bid show 4 cards support or can be 3 or may be 2 with honour? Just experience....

 

 

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Misho

[Free]

No it's not a problem. The only thing that happens when you bid 2♠ is that you become the only leader in the bidding, and partner just has to bid out his hand. If he doesn't realise that, you get into trouble. You know already 9 cards from partner, and after 4th suit forcing you'll know his hand pretty much completely, so why sharing leadership by bidding 3♣ with a possible danger that partner takes it and gets us in the wrong contract? 2♠ gives a lot more possibility's imo, especially when you want to get into grand slam...

[Fluffy]

I heavily disagree to 4th suit on this deal, not only because blinds partner and you have most describing bids, but also because 4th suit on this sequence should be used as NATURAL or weak without fit looking for the best game.

[Trpltrbl]

2♠, I really don't see any other bid that makes sense. We are now in GF auction at the 2 level, isn't that great.

 

Mike B)

[Trpltrbl]

There is one other bid coming to my mind, but this is only if you play lebensohl over reverses. and that is 3♣, GF and looking for ♣ slam.

 

Mike B)

[enruka]

what is "lebensohl over reverses" ? pls

[1eyedjack]

what is "lebensohl over reverses" ? pls

Responder distinguishes between weak and strong hands according to whether he bids immediately at the 3 level (the stronger option and game forcing) or via 2N (a puppet normally to 3♣).

 

Say the auction proceeds:

 

1♣ 1♦

2♠ ??

 

2N by responder says he wants to make a weak and non-forcing bid in one or other of ♣, ♦ or ♠.

Opener then makes the cheapest rebid that he is content to have passed by responder (3♥ would be absolutely forcing). Usually he would bid 3♣ unless he has a lot in reserve. Responder then passes with a weak hand and ♣ preference, or makes a non-forcing bid in ♦ or ♠. There is scope for agreeing on a distinction by what is meant if responder bids 4th suit immediately or via 2N.

 

Obviously you give up on the natural meaning of 2N. But how frequent is that hand, and when it comes up how often is it better than playing in opener's first suit?

[mikestar]

1eyedjacks description of lebensohl over reverses is correct. I'd just like to add a point to it. Many partnerships also bid 2NT with bare game values (8+ to 10) and follow up with a game bid or the fourth suit. This allows direct 3 level bids to show 11 or more and at least mild slam interest.

[enruka]

thx

[Fluffy]

1eyedjack explanation is incorrect:

 

it has to be used after reverse, wich is 16+, not after jump shift, ,wich is 18+ and GF.

 

lebenshol is used on an attemp to play part score at 3 level when opener is minimun (16/17)

 

here is the difference:

 

1♣-1♦

1♠ = 12-17

 

1♣-1♦

2♠ =18+ GF so now lebenshol doesn´t have to be played, so no part score is posibble

 

bur if:

 

1♣-1♠

2♥- =16+ now there is no jump at all, so now 2NT=lebenshol (I learned it with the french name: 'moderateur', and you will maybe see it somewhere that way), when you are 6/7 or have great missfit and wanna play part score.

 

 

Its advantages are simple: every OTHER bid is strong and GF (included 2♠, I am not sure if it is standard, but I at least consider it that way) wich helps comunication.

[1eyedjack]

1eyedjack explanation is incorrect:

 

it has to be used after reverse, wich is 16+, not after jump shift, ,wich is 18+ and GF.

 

lebenshol is used on an attemp to play part score at 3 level when opener is minimun (16/17)

 

here is the difference:

 

1♣-1♦

1♠ = 12-17

 

1♣-1♦

2♠ =18+ GF so now lebenshol doesn´t have to be played, so no part score is posibble

 

bur if:

 

1♣-1♠

2♥- =16+ now there is no jump at all, so now 2NT=lebenshol (I learned it with the french name: 'moderateur', and you will maybe see it somewhere that way), when you are 6/7 or have great missfit and wanna play part score.

 

 

Its advantages are simple: every OTHER bid is strong and GF (included 2♠, I am not sure if it is standard, but I at least consider it that way) wich helps comunication.

If by agreement (and a partnership is free to agree otherwise) 1♣-1♦-2♠ is GF that does not eliminate the benefit of 2N Lebensohl as a method of distinguishing between ranges of raises at the 3 level following that sequence.

 

So, my explanation is not incorrect. It is up to the partnership have the imagination to perceive its benefits and agree on its use.

[Fluffy]

I am sorry 1eyedjack, when I reread my last post I did edit to: 'I think 1eyedjack explanation is incorrect', somehow my connection problems again bring me problems :D .