nickf Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Last night my pd sprung this 2C opener on me (12-14NT, 5443) nil, MP AKQxxQQJxxAKx I probably lean towards those that think it's a bit filthy for 2C but pd whose opinion I respect argued at the time that he hated the thought of jump shifting to 3D over a possible 1NT response from me. Who's for 1S or who is for 2C? nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 1♠ OBV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 This hand is worth a semiforcing in ♠. If your system explicitly includes these in a 2♣ opening, it's worth one (for example using Ryall negatives). If you don't, then it's 1♠. If the auction goes: 2♣ - 2♦ (promising a trick for ♠) then we don't have a problem, except if the trick is unluckily ♥K of course. Playing "standard" responses to 2♣ (whatever those may be, I dunno I "always" bid 2♦ with a pickup), this is worth 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 19 F and a singelton Q? 1 Spade, no problem.I would open 2 Club if this is 20+ if you make it AKQxx,x, QJxx,AKQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 This hand is worth a semiforcing in ♠. If your system explicitly includes these in a 2♣ opening, it's worth one (for example using Ryall negatives). <snip> Agree. You dont have too, but you can. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I don't see any reason not to open 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I'm all in for 1S. If I had to choose to open 2C on this hand or the other one in the other thread I would definitely choose the other one as that had a lot of playing strength (even though irl I won't). This one just looks like an ordinary decent hand. I'm not afraid of missing any game because if my partner really passes I highly doubt game can make. I also agree that 1M-1NT-3x auctions can get a bit tough, I guess that's why (?) some people play 1M-1NT-2NT as any GF to distinguish some hand types like 5-4, 5-5 etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I feel 2C opening is a poor choice and strongly prefer 1S intending to j/s in D if pard bids 1N. This seems to be a better stroy of what I have than making a stretch to open 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I'm all in for 1S. If I had to choose to open 2C on this hand or the other one in the other thread I would definitely choose the other one as that had a lot of playing strength (even though irl I won't). <snip> True, but the other is a 3-suiter with a spadevoid, hence after a spade bid from partneryour are dead, the other one has spades, hencea spade bid by partner wont kill you in this case. And the 2nd suit of the actual hand is diamonds, nothearts, but it is better than clubs. With regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 It's a 1S opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I will be surprised anyone around here will suggest 2♣. Add a 6th spade, and it gets closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Certainly obvious 1♠ but I sympathize that rebidding 3♦ indeed can be undesirable. It makes it very hard to get to clubs when you belong there, and is a bad suit after all. Still 2♣ seems just wrong, it isn't good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Most will claim that this isn't a 2C bid w/o prior agreement, and they're probably right. For me, this is a marginal 2C opener bec. I'd rather deal w/cumbersome followups in a GF than in a non-GF. Plus I dislike missing games (1S-all pass) more than I dislike getting too high (2C opposite filth). Naturally, most of my Ps know this, and won't expect AKQJxx AKx AK AK for a 2C bid. They know they're more likely to fetch AKJxxx AKxx xx x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Certainly obvious 1♠ but I sympathize that rebidding 3♦ indeed can be undesirable. It makes it very hard to get to clubs when you belong there, and is a bad suit after all. Still 2♣ seems just wrong, it isn't good enough. precisely my thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Most will claim that this isn't a 2C bid w/o prior agreement, and they're probably right. For me, this is a marginal 2C opener bec. I'd rather deal w/cumbersome followups in a GF than in a non-GF. Plus I dislike missing games (1S-all pass) more than I dislike getting too high (2C opposite filth). Naturally, most of my Ps know this, and won't expect AKQJxx AKx AK AK for a 2C bid. They know they're more likely to fetch AKJxxx AKxx xx x Wow. I know that I would never expect AKJxxx AKxx xx x for a 2♣ bid, although in many respects it is actually a better hand than the one suggested in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Looking at the stiff Q this is not near a 2♣ bid for me and I'll open 2♣ a bit more freely than some others here. Where are my 9 tricks ? 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 1♠, it's a 4-loser hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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