awm Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sxxhkxxxxdxxcxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] We deal and start with a pass. Auction continues: PA - 1♠ - X - PA2♥ - 2♠ - 4♥ - PAPA - 4♠ - PA - PA???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 In my opinion: Pass is not forcing. We could have absolutely nothing here for our 2H bid. Partner should have a good hand for his 4H bid, but if he wanted to force he could bid 3S then 4H. Anyway, I'm going to pass. The 5 level doesn't belong to me. If I had longer (or shorter) spades I'd be happier with a 5H bid but it's quite likely that we have 2 top spade losers, and it'd be optimistic to expect 11 top tricks after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass. Why would I want to bid on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 I normally play that if we have bid a game on power, pass is forcing. Partner could have cuebid 3♠ on the second bid, so 4♥ is not necessarily on power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 5♥. Pass is definitely non-forcing for me. Partner could have doubled 4♠ if he thought it was not making. And we certainly have no defense. So 4♠ will often make, and 5♥ might even make - certainly it won't go many down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Agree with the number guy above, though it's certainly a risky business to bid 5♥ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass is NF. Pass wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 agree with 655321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making. And if that were the case, pard would have done something over 4♠. Really, what do we have that makes 5♥ a good bet? I have one card and the 5th heart is nice, but I'll bet you pard has at 5 or more hearts a majority of the time, so its not that big of an asset. Obvious that pass is NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making. And if that were the case, pard would have done something over 4♠. Really, what do we have that makes 5♥ a good bet? I have one card and the 5th heart is nice, but I'll bet you pard has at 5 or more hearts a majority of the time, so its not that big of an asset. Obvious that pass is NF. So you want to defend 4♠ when partner can't double it and you think you have a 10 card heart fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making. And if that were the case, pard would have done something over 4♠. Really, what do we have that makes 5♥ a good bet? I have one card and the 5th heart is nice, but I'll bet you pard has at 5 or more hearts a majority of the time, so its not that big of an asset. Obvious that pass is NF. So you want to defend 4♠ when partner can't double it and you think you have a 10 card heart fit? So pard is supposed to double 4♠ when he might have four tricks? All a 10 card fit gives us is comfort that 5♥ won't be a debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 I thought it was a good thing that 5♥ won't be a disaster, I didn't realize it was a reason to defend 4♠! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Pass. Partner made them guess, and there's no particular reason to believe that they've guessed correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Partner held: ♠Axx♥AQJTxx♦Kx♣AJ Declarer had a heart void, and 4♠ was making. 5♥ goes down one (losing a spade and one in each minor). Perhaps partner should have bid 5♥ here (or bid 3♠ earlier) but I thought this was still an interesting problem from my side of the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 There is something very odd about the auction. LHO bid 2 nonforcing spades after my 2♥ call, and then 4♠ over my partner's 4♥ call (which was obviously bid to make). The failure of my partner to cue bid doesn't mean he isn't bidding 4♥ on power. It just means he has no slam ambitions. I don't think that my partner's pass over 4♠ is forcing, per se. But I cannot conceive of any hand with any cards at all on which I would pass out 4♠. This hand has an extra heart, so I will bid 5♥. If I had a non-heart honor card and a balanced hand I would double. If I had a flat zero count I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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