Bid like Zia#2

[sathyab]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=shqt98xdtxxckqjxx]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv]

 

Dealer opens 1♠ on your right and you have that hand as North. Your call and please follow the instructions in the title of the post.

[cherdano]

I bet Zia bids 2♣. I bid 2♠.

Me and Zia are still different, I guess.

[pclayton]

2♠ for me. I don't see the point of hiding my hearts, or my other suit here. I doubt my pard is going to be on lead. My 2nd choice is a pass.

[han]

2S for me as well.

[MarkDean]

Is everybody really bidding 2S red on white with this? Do we really want to try to outbid the boss suit at these colors?

 

I would pass.

 

I will guess Zia bid 3C.

[Mosene]

Pass

[MFA]

2♠? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

 

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me :)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

[kfay]

Vulnerability is for children.

 

2♠

[sathyab]

2♠? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

 

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me :)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

I'd bet more on your bidding judgement than your judgement of Zia's bidding judgement :)

Zia did indeed bid 2♠.

 

The full hand turned out to be:

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=shqt98xdtxxckqjxx&w=st98xxxhajdkqctxx&e=sqxhkxxxdjxxcaxxx&s=sakjxxhxxdaxxxxcx]399|300|Scoring: BAM[/hv]

 

Thanks to the favorable location of the ♥J, 3♥ is down only 1, for -100 and his teammates were +110 in 2♠ when it went 1♠-p-1nt-p-2♠.

 

If East had the ♥J, chances are it'd have been doubled. I'm assuming that East must have thought that North must have a decent hand given the unfavorable vulnerability and that a double might be too close, especially partner's hand isn't as suitable for defense as it turned out to be. Would anyone double 3♥ ?

[pclayton]

I remember this board. Welland had the South hand and he got a double on his right and I think he should have passed.

 

The play is quite interesting in 3♥. The spots were A-7-5-3 in the East hand and South had the 4-2. Dummy was QT986.

 

It's also less clear to me how -1 is a lock. The play was the ♦K lead won, 2 spades ditching diamonds, and a club up. West grabs the ♣A and persists with a 3rd spade. Welland chose to ruff with a middle heart and play two more clubs.

[sathyab]

2♠? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

 

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me :)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

I'd bet more on your bidding judgement than your judgement of Zia's bidding judgement :)

Zia did indeed bid 2♠.

 

The full hand turned out to be:

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=shqt98xdtxxckqjxx&w=st98xxxhajdkqctxx&e=sqxhkxxxdjxxcaxxx&s=sakjxxhxxdaxxxxcx]399|300|Scoring: BAM[/hv]

 

Thanks to the favorable location of the ♥J, 3♥ is down only 1, for -100 and his teammates were +110 in 2♠ when it went 1♠-p-1nt-p-2♠.

 

If East had the ♥J, chances are it'd have been doubled. I'm assuming that East must have thought that North must have a decent hand given the unfavorable vulnerability and that a double might be too close, especially partner's hand isn't as suitable for defense as it turned out to be. Would anyone double 3♥ ?

I misremembered the EW hands; West had the Axx of clubs and East had Txxx. The openings were so aggressive that opening that ten count wasn't unthinkable. But then East might have doubled 2♠. I checked for play records of 3♥, but couldn't find it. All they have is the play record for 2♠ at the other table.

[MFA]

2♠? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

 

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me B)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

I'd bet more on your bidding judgement than your judgement of Zia's bidding judgement :)

Zia did indeed bid 2♠.

Lol, of course :).

 

I still think that 2♠ is horrible.

[cherdano]

THIS BOARD PROVES...what?

 

So, partner turned up with 5251, with 2/3s of his points in spades and none in our suits. And bidding 2♠ won the board, but actually should have lost the board if opponents had doubled. Ok.

[the hog]

I'd bid 2S. Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia. Play? Yes, certainly.

[655321]

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

 

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

 

:P

[gwnn]

The other bid like Zia thread was way cooler than this one.

[the hog]

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

 

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

 

:)

Personally I don't think Zia's bidding is his strength. His card play certainly is far better than his bidding.

 

Also I think there is a "Cult of Zia" promoted by himself and also by Bridge journalists who see a lacklustre set of personalities to promote. This no doubt helps his results against mere mortals.

[rogerclee]

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

 

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

 

:)

Personally I don't think Zia's bidding is his strength. His card play certainly is far better than his bidding.

 

Also I think there is a "Cult of Zia" promoted by himself and also by Bridge journalists who see a lacklustre set of personalities to promote. This no doubt helps his results against mere mortals.

In other words, yes, I am better than Zia at bidding.

[benlessard]

I personnally dont like 2S, but my feeling is that against a light RHO opening bid you can be more agressive since LHO wont gamble a double.

[the hog]

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

 

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

 

:)

Personally I don't think Zia's bidding is his strength. His card play certainly is far better than his bidding.

 

Also I think there is a "Cult of Zia" promoted by himself and also by Bridge journalists who see a lacklustre set of personalities to promote. This no doubt helps his results against mere mortals.

In other words, yes, I am better than Zia at bidding.

Hmmm. Interesting interpretation of my comment.

[catatonic]

pass for me ..... hardly going to be passed out unless it is favourable for our side

 

playing here last night in second seat at red I held

 

void

K9xxxx

x

A9xxxx

 

so I passed when dealer opened 1 D

 

next hand bid 1S and partner waded in with 2H !!!

 

opener then rebids 3C !!!!!!!

 

now I didn't pass!!!

 

my point is that with the low point count distributional hands it is often better to listen first and speak later if it seems correct , let the opps tell you what they have

[han]

Disagree with your point and especially disagree with your initial pass on your example hand. Here is my advice in return: When you try to make a point in the A/E forum, don't bid like a beginner.

[the hog]

You got lucky on one hand. No one I know would pass the hand you posted.

[OleBerg]

pass for me ..... hardly going to be passed out unless it is favourable for our side

 

playing here last night in second seat at red I held

 

void

K9xxxx

x

A9xxxx

 

so I passed when dealer opened 1 D

 

next hand bid 1S  and partner waded in with 2H !!!

 

opener then rebids 3C !!!!!!!

 

now I didn't pass!!!

 

my point is that with the low point count distributional hands it is often better  to listen first and speak later if it seems correct , let the opps tell you what they have

This state you are in, has it lasted since Alvin Roth published his first book?

[catatonic]

well , no one you know would pass ?

does that make it right or wrong then?

 

I remember a hand like this against a world class player when I was a beginner ; I passed then [ only a few points I thought !]

 

after the hand I was asked if I was a beginner or top class , as this was a bid an advanced player wouldn't make ... ; when I admitted to the former he told me that on balance we would play the hand no more than 50% of the time , and to bid would guide the opps ; of the other 50% or so of the hands we would have a complete misfit at least a third of the time , so at least two thirds of the time it was better to pass and listen

 

as TR once wrote ...they talk too much