NickRW Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I say again - law makers have no idea what ordinary people think. Certainly don't have any idea what I think anyway. If you'll excuse me - I need the bathroom. Nick In fact, the law makers have a very good idea what ordinary people think. They get told, at length, in person, by email, by letter, and they also ask many 'ordinary people' for their thoughts. The really surprising thing may be that not everything thinks the same as you. In fact, the 'law makers' are not an abstract body, they are individuals and they don't all think the same as each other. Well, look Frances, the original thing that got my dander up was the mention of an apparently level 3 event - at which were playing at least one of the Hackett family and an EBU higher up (and I don't know the standard of all of them - but I know quite a few, at least, are no slouches at the game). The other players had no objection to someone using a two way club system - the single objection came from someone who, one would have thougt, was 1) well capable of dealing with such a system and 2) one of the very people responsible for the rules that nobody else cared about! Then someone else imagines that it is me who is not in touch with reality - what a joke. Then we have someone talking about a bid that is, or could be, natural by any plain, easily understandable definition of the term - but the same person who thinks I am not in touch with reality says that this is conventional. Since when did a bid that shows the suit actually called suddenly become conventional by any defintion that makes one bit of sense to most folks that play bridge for a pastime? I say again that some folks higher up are not in touch with the grass roots of this game - no matter how many emails they receive. I could write a long essay on what is wrong with the Orange Book - but I won't - I am sure most readers of this forum would fall asleep - but it would probably start with a section entitled, "What is Level 2 - what is it for?" In other words the structure of the thing is flawed to my mind - never mind the detail. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 How did the ACBL rules hijack Helene's thread about a simple question on what level she can play her system... in England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 It's the internet, Gerben. Stuff happens. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Because Gerben, if that didn't happen you would be more challenged to engage in your favorite hobby of American-bashing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Because Gerben, if that didn't happen you would be more challenged to engage in your favorite hobby of American-bashing! though that hobby is a bit like clubbing baby seals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Okay, continuing the hijack: Yep, Flight A in stratiflighted regional games (that would be two of them in the last regional I was at), and the top bracket of KOs (I have 600 MPs. My partner has about half that. Finding a pair with 8000 between them, willing to play with us, to get to Bracket 1 is not exactly automatic). KingOfPrussia event: S/Flighted games starting Thursday.Lancaster event: S/Flighted games starting Saturday (but KOs starting all week, that's fine for others, I guess). I'm going to learn and practise a system I can only play twice a regional (which around here is 5 a year within a reasonable day's drive)? Especially when the penalty for getting it wrong the rest of the year is so high (Precision 2H vs weak 2H, or Precision 2D vs. Maxi-Roman)? Right. In Ontario, they've moved to Mid-chart in any separate Flight A event, even at sectionals; and they frequently S/Flight Saturday and Sunday at the sectionals. And, at least where I lived, there was a sectional every two or three weekends within a 2-hour drive (sometimes as much as 3 if we had to drive all the way through Toronto). That's more likely. UnHijack: Nick, in a month is going to be our local "day in the country". Nice day, far enough out of town that the lights don't drown out the start at night, afternoon bridge, convivial dinner, evening bridge, about 30 tables, everybody has fun. Even if the best players in the area were to come (and probably about 16 of the top 20 will), it's going to be "level 3". I wouldn't want it any other way, and neither would the players. The last regional, we had 16 tables in A/X. That was "level 4", and nobody would have that any other way. If I played EHAA in the "level 3" game - which would be legal - I'd expect a lot of complaints, and everybody would notice. If I played Mid-Chart Precision, I'd expect fewer complaints - because people wouldn't know. But I wouldn't do either; that's not the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Because Gerben, if that didn't happen you would be more challenged to engage in your favorite hobby of American-bashing! though that hobby is a bit like clubbing baby seals. I thought your national animal used to be a bald eagle. Since when did it change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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