jchiu Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 1N (2♦) 2♥ where 2♦ is at least 4-4 in the red suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I have hearts, partner. Please don't bid again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I would play this as showing a heart stopper, but denying a diamond stopper, forcing. edit: X would be both suits stopped, and penalty oriented as a result, and going through lebensohl would show only diamonds stopped for me. Have no idea how much of that is standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Long C and 4S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hearts of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hi, Our agreements: #1 we play unusal vs. unusal, in case they have shown two suits, hence 2H would show a strong (inv.+) hand with spades or clubs, depending on your version#2 unusual is of, if the suit length of the suits shown, could still be 4 cards. From this would follow for us, that 2H is natural / nonforcing,the nonforcing part because 2NT is Lebensohl. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Natural, non-forcing... Up until a minute ago, the poll was 100% (13 votes) for natural non-forcing, and I did think this had a chance of being a unanimous poll (not any more, sadly!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmit Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 sr - I thought OP was both majors.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I think it's best to play some kind of unusual vs unusual here. Or Ron's agreement, that sounds pretty cool actually. But without special agreements, it is to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 sr - I thought OP was both majors.... My advice: This should not have an impacton the answer, you may well assume 2D showes 44, say, they play Cappelletti. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Without any special agreement this is "I wana play 2H" ty for your imput partner, amen. You hold KJxxxx of H and nothing else are you passing? Generally we play lebensohl, the fact RHO holds 4H does not mean they have all their marbles lined up and may be proud of Qxxx AJxxx because it "fits" the system. Dble 2D was more in line of a "sound raise to 2N" can stand to play for penalties, some play 100% penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Its hearts, but if 2♦ was normally 5-5, 2♥ should be a stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmit Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 sr - I thought OP was both majors.... My advice: This should not have an impacton the answer, you may well assume 2D showes 44, say, they play Cappelletti. With kind regardsMarloweI agree - but if dbl is take/out, as in "I think we got them" - the meaning will differ some when the president suit is not bid, no? Is DBL not negative with spades inv+ in this position? And dbl after "2♦=majors", is simply take/out - or the same meaning as after 1m-(2m)-dbl - "I will penalty dbl one of their suits"? Thus, I would think 2♥ is both minors, and 2♠ is 6 c minor suit, weak or strong. 3m could be invitational. And - dbl = spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 sr - I thought OP was both majors.... My advice: This should not have an impacton the answer, you may well assume 2D showes 44, say, they play Cappelletti. With kind regardsMarloweI agree - but if dbl is take/out, as in "I think we got them" - the meaning will differ some when the president suit is not bid, no? Is DBL not negative with spades inv+ in this position? And dbl after "2♦=majors", is simply take/out - or the same meaning as after 1m-(2m)-dbl - "I will penalty dbl one of their suits"? Thus, I would think 2♥ is both minors, and 2♠ is 6 c minor suit, weak or strong. 3m could be invitational. And - dbl = spades We play that the double of 2D showes a bal. hand with roughly inv.+ values, say a natural 2NT bid or better,which is looking for a penalty, subsequent doubles beingpenalty.A delayed double of 2M would be for t/o. 2H and 2S as natural to play, 2NT as Lebensohl Playing this method you may miss a 4-4 fit, but not surethat this will harm you a lot, trumps breaking 4-1 at best....................................................................................We would play the double of 2H as t/o, the difference for usis, that the 2D bid gives us another round, this add. round wedont have after 2H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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