a bogus jump overcall

[rbforster]

4th seat favorable. Everyone playing 2/1. You consider bidding a 2♠ preempt over a 3rd seat 1♣. Partner will expect a "normal" 2♠ preempt, i.e. usually 6 cards and ~4-10.

 

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(P)-P-(1♣)-?[/hv]

What do you see as the risks of this call, and what are the possible gains? How do you think the auction is likely to continue?

[nige1]

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(P)-P-(1♣)-?4th seat favorable.  Everyone playing 2/1.  You consider bidding a 2♠ preempt over a 3rd seat 1♣.  Partner will expect a "normal" 2♠ preempt, i.e. usually 6 cards and ~4-10.

What do you see as the risks of this call, and what are the possible gains?  How do you think the auction is likely to continue?[/hv]

Terence Reese argued that you should vary your pre-empts, although perhaps not as much as this. At favourable vulnerability, occasionally, in a new partnership, I've pre-empted with a 3 card suit e.g. ♠ xxx ♥ AKQ ♦ xxx ♣ xxxx

Usually, partner raises pre-emptively and the result is disastrous B)

But it was almost worth it for 5 seconds of fame: when I cashed 3 tricks against an expert opponent's slam :)

[OleBerg]

With my usual partner, this is a wtp 2♠ (for me, not for my partner. :lol: ), but if partner expects 6 spades and 4-10, it's obviously insane. (Voted: Risky, but likely to cause problems.)

[han]

Would consider a joke 1S, not 2S.

[Sambolino]

i don't have a problem with 5 spades or lack of hcps but with 4 card heart suit. we're pushing pard into wrong sacrifice over 4h

[pclayton]

What I find is that bids like 2♠ frequently randomize results. You'll go for a lot of -500's and -800's against their games, which kind of wash out. The problems come when LHO does have a serious stack and you go for some ridiculous number, or when declarer takes all of the two-way finesses through partner's hand.

 

The occasional win a bid like this makes is when LHO has HJ9x and traps, and RHO can't reopen with Hxx. There you are scoring up a silly -200 or -250 against their 3N. The other win you can accomplish is some -1100's against their slams in 3 or 4♠'s.

 

1♠ is safer, but unless you want to go the partnership desk every tournament, its not a bid you should make.