Guest Jlall Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 White/red imps you hold: Jx Kx AT9xx T9xx. Partner opens 4H in third seat and RHO overcalls 4S. Do you bid or pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Namyats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yeah I bid. 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Namyats? No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Namyats? No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it. "Not Namyats" is relevant information too and he didn't mention that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Namyats? No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it. "Not Namyats" is relevant information too and he didn't mention that. Are you just trolling from thread to thread, trying not to contribute anything?? I have to admit, nothing but pass would really occur to me here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Namyats? No, it would be relevant information so he'd mention it. "Not Namyats" is relevant information too and he didn't mention that. Are you just trolling from thread to thread, trying not to contribute anything?? I have to admit, nothing but pass would really occur to me here. As far as I remember I have only made two posts today - this will be the third. This one pointed out the fallacy in the argument that certain information would be provided if it was relevant. The other post was concerning whether a new suit should be played as non-forcing after 1NT (3x). I believe it should be. It is hard to see how you think these posts were attempts at contributing nothing. Maybe you are just trolling looking for someone to insult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Pass. I can't really see why you would want to bid on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 As far as I remember I have only made two posts today - this will be the third.None of which have actually answered the question asked in the post. This one pointed out the fallacy in the argument that certain information would be provided if it was relevant.This would be sad if you weren't serious. That is no less trolling than if you were going around correcting everyone's spelling mistakes! And that's ignoring that your point itself was ridiculous. The other post was concerning whether a new suit should be played as non-forcing after 1NT (3x). I believe it should be.Great, maybe you should start a thread on the topic. It is hard to see how you think these posts were attempts at contributing nothing.Not that hard... Maybe you are just trolling looking for someone to insult.I've posted 9 times today before this one, and managed to answer the question being asked or stay on the current topic on all 9, even including where I called you out! And that with having to follow your discussion-killers on numbers 8 and 9. I'd say I'm doing ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 This is close for me. If partner was in first or second seat, I think 5♥ is pretty clear. But in 3rd seat, perhaps partner has pushed the boat out, and nobody can make a 4 level contract. Bidding 5♥ will work if they bid 5♠, or if 4♠ is cold and 5♥ is a cheap save. I have changed my mind between Pass and 5♥ a couple of times. :lol: Perhaps it is wrong to give too much weight to partner's 3rd seat opening. OK, 5♥ it is, prepared to apologize when we go for 500 against nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Namyats? Yeh I'd have to agree that jlall would mention any convention he was playing that might affect this.Am pretty sure that not playing namyats is the default, no need for him to mention every obscure convention that he's not playing. I must admit that I think I would also pass. Sure it could be a good save but it but I don't expect it to be a great save....and it could be a phantom or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Pass. The pre-empt may already have done its job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 5♥. Yes, I'll nail him. If he has a long history of speeding in this situation, I might sell, but else I'm bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 It's sort of depressing that all of these threads by Justin of the TM I kibitzed and I'd have made the wrong choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Pass. The pre-empt may already have done its job. IMO _P = 10, 5♥ = 9, _X = 6.Agree with Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Again I had this hand at the other table so I'm biased, but it seems to me that 5H can hardly go for more than 500. I'm generally conservative when raising partner's preempts as a passed hand, but I don't think that applies when partner opens at the 4-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I bid at MPs but pass at IMPs. Pard opened a green 3rd chair preempt of 4 hearts. This could be on many different hand types. 7 bagger's, 6-5's, 7 baggers with offense, etc.. 500 looks like a normal result in 5♥ even when we are beating 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 If Namyats is in play, which is not necessarily mentioned, I'd bid. If not, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Need to know partner's style to be able to take a stand on this one. Playing with myself, I'd bid 5♥. Good save, and might even make on a good day. I don't tend to overbid 3rd seat preempts - more often I'm stronger than a usual preempt, might have a 6-5. With some others I'm just happy they didn't double us already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Third seat W vs R 4H preempt = could be mega crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I don't think enough credit is being given to the chances that they either go down or have slam (in combination). They have totally guessed, why donate a number to see if they guessed right? There is also too much credit being given to the chance 5♥ makes. Almost all the time that it does, partner will double back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Playing with myself, I'd bid 5♥. Good save, and might even make on a good day. I don't tend to overbid 3rd seat preempts - more often I'm stronger than a usual preempt, might have a 6-5. With some others I'm just happy they didn't double us already. Isn't the modern tendency to double when it comes back around when one has made one of these stronger than usual preempts? I think too many people think that responder has the last chance. Maybe he should after a preempt, but that doesn't seem to be the modern approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 My first reaction was easy pass, but I started giving partner some hands and they're strong favorites to be making. Of course no action comes with a guarantee and the more creatively partner preempts in this position the less likely I would be to bid here. Let's assume we're leading the ♥K. I don't claim this is best, but it's something to work with: * HQJ8th and out -- they make 6♠, we're -500 in 5♥x.* HA8th and out -- they make 5♠ or 6♠, we're -300 in 5♥x.* HAQ7th and another card -- we're -300 and they're making anywhere from 9-11 tricks at spades. Add another card to partner's hand and in the first two cases they're still making 4♠ and we're probably -100/-300. So when we're right we're gaining 4-8-13 IMPs and when we're wrong we're losing 9 IMPs (-300 and -100 from teammates). I'll bid 5♥. I'm pushed to bid by having an ace -- it protects me against them making a slam, and provides more chances we can beat them if we can get the up one more level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 HQJ8th and out -- they make 6♠, we're -500 in 5♥x.* HA8th and out -- they make 5♠ or 6♠, we're -300 in 5♥x.* HAQ7th and another card -- we're -300 and they're making anywhere from 9-11 tricks at spades. IMO partner is favorite to have only 7H. For me -500,-800 is just too likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Pass. I've seen my partner's 3rd in favourable pre-empts before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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