good 13-count

[han]

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K10xx

Qx

AKJ10xxx

 

RHO opens 2S, your call.

 

Hidden possible follow up:

If you double LHO bids 4S and patner bids 5H, RHO passing.

 

[mikeh]

no form of scoring or vulnerability... not important on this hand, on round one, so why am I quibbling? Heck, I just like to quibble B)

 

For me, a no-brainer 3♣. The no-brainer part may apply equally to me and to my call, but I really don't see the alternatives... well, I do see some, but I find them to be repugnant.

 

I didn't read the hidden follow-up, since I didn't want it to contaminate my initial view. I will now look at it.

[mikeh]

now I have looked at the followup..... maybe it suggests that my choice of 3♣ was a no-brainer in a bad way, but I still don't like the initial choice given.

 

However, since bigger and better things remain alive, and my hand has grown up further, I choose the cue bid... in for a penny, in for a pound.

 

BTW, after 3♣, if the auction came back to me at 4♠, I wouldn't be through just yet... I'd haul out 4N.... another in a long series of overbids.

[pclayton]

Agree with 3♣ and

(4N). What happens over 4N?

(Hidden).

[MFA]

3♣.

[kenrexford]

I'm with Mike and Phil.

 

Heck, I might even whip out 5NT if 5♠ comes back at me.

[han]

OK, so you bid 3C, LHO bids 4S, partner doubles. What now?

 

If you bid 4NT, partner bids 5D.

[pclayton]

OK, so you bid 3C, LHO bids 4S, partner doubles. What now?

 

If you bid 4NT, partner bids 5D.

I pull the double to 5♣.

[mikeh]

If I pulled the double of 4♠, and it is not clear that I should, and if I chose 4n, which I think is somewhat clearer than the pull-pass decision, I'd certainly be bidding 5♥ now, and partner will have some idea of my hand.. altho he will be puzzled by my having bid 3♣ rather than 4♣... it is tough to come up with a hand that is both good enough and shapely enough to warrant pulling the double, which is more penalty than takeout in my book (unless we have specifically agreed otherwise...see below), and yet not make a roman jump overcall. My 4N wasn't unambiguously minors... it was long clubs with a secondary (often 5 card) red suit.

 

Now, if my agreement were that partner's double was merely card-showing, and that is a reasonable interpretation (and explicitly my agreement in two partnerships), 4N then 5♥ are both more expected and both reasonable.

[kenrexford]

If I pulled the double of 4♠, and it is not clear that I should, and if I chose 4n, which I think is somewhat clearer than the pull-pass decision, I'd certainly be bidding 5♥ now, and partner will have some idea of my hand.. altho he will be puzzled by my having bid 3♣ rather than 4♣... it is tough to come up with a hand that is both good enough and shapely enough to warrant pulling the double, which is more penalty than takeout in my book (unless we have specifically agreed otherwise...see below), and yet not make a roman jump overcall. My 4N wasn't unambiguously minors... it was long clubs with a secondary (often 5 card) red suit.

 

Now, if my agreement were that partner's double was merely card-showing, and that is a reasonable interpretation (and explicitly my agreement in two partnerships), 4N then 5♥ are both more expected and both reasonable.

I agree. Why bid 4NT unless you are prepared to bid 5♥ over 5♦?

[han]

Partner had K10x QJxxx AJxx x.

[Guest Jlall]

I would bid 3C then 5C. I don't like 4N over the X with such a huge disparity, and think clubs will often play better than a 4-4 heart fit.