MickyB Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skxxxhkxxxdxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1C-P-1H-2DX-P-2H-3D3H-P-??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Seems a non-problem to me. I have a minimum (albeit clear) response to 1♣ and the auction hasn't encouraged me into bidding on now. PASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Seems a non-problem to me. I have a minimum (albeit clear) response to 1♣ and the auction hasn't encouraged me into bidding on now. PASS Ok, as expected. What kinda hand do you think partner has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I think this shows 3307 or perhaps 2317 and extras but not game forcing. If he had a more balanced hand he would double. I would pull to 4♣ from here, which I believe will be a much safer contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I think this shows 3307 or perhaps 2317 and extras but not game forcing. If he had a more balanced hand he would double. I would pull to 4♣ from here, which I believe will be a much safer contract. Agree with this. 3 card raises don't take the push to the 3 level unilaterally without a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 What kinda hand do you think partner has? The wrong kind. I'm not sure I can think of a hand that only has 3 card support and wants to force to the 3 level in the 4-3 opposite a random 6 count. Surely they have a more descriptive call besides 3♥ once they've already shown support. Maybe 3♣ or 2N or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 What kinda hand do you think partner has? The wrong kind. I'm not sure I can think of a hand that only has 3 card support and wants to force to the 3 level in the 4-3 opposite a random 6 count. Surely they have a more descriptive call besides 3♥ once they've already shown support. Maybe 3♣ or 2N or something... What if pard preferred to make a sufficient call? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Picky, picky. Missed the 3♦ rebid by opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I think this shows 3307 or perhaps 2317 and extras but not game forcing. If he had a more balanced hand he would double. I would pull to 4♣ from here, which I believe will be a much safer contract. Agree with this. 3 card raises don't take the push to the 3 level unilaterally without a reason. Right. Any other shapes that might have to bid like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I could imagine 4306 if he is scared I would pass a double. It's true I could bid 3♠ to cater to that, and maybe in theory should, but I'm worried that would show a game force and be descriptive so I'm not going to risk it, I'll just go to what I know is a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I could imagine 4306 if he is scared I would pass a double. It's true I could bid 3♠ to cater to that, and maybe in theory should, but I'm worried that would show a game force and be descriptive so I'm not going to risk it, I'll just go to what I know is a fit. Right, that's the answer I was looking for. The hand in the original post didn't actually happen, it just occurred to me when I was holding a 4306 on this auction. Is a 4315 15-count really doing anything other than bidding 3H here? I can't imagine what else it would do, but I'm not experienced with support doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 A 4315 shape is either passing or doubling, never bidding 3H. With the actual hand I like 3S, we already limited our hand so it should be clear that I'm just looking for the best strain. If partner has a 4306 shape and raises to 4S, well, I'd rather be there than 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 A 4315 shape is either passing or doubling, never bidding 3H. Fair enough - I thought X would be more like 18-19 bal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Unexpected 3H bid. Must be a strange hand, otherwise there is no justification to bid 3H with only 3-card support. Maybe opener mistakenly made support double with four pieces? If not, he must have a singleton somewhere and long clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 If double of 3D includes most hands (18-19 bal no stop, takeout, etc) then how would you bid now with a decent hand that's 4-4 in the majors with a diamond stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 You can't do everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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