jdonn Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 JTxAxAJ8xxxAx 1NT 2♣2♦ 3♠? Yes you opened 1NT, too bad. 3♠ is smolen so four spades, five(+?) hearts. Both vul at imps if it matters. Oops, almost forgot partner is a passed hand, you are 3rd seat. 3NT, 4♥, or 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Agree with 1nt, now I bid a simple 3nt though I understand those who chose other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 JTxAxAJ8xxxAx 1NT 2♣2♦ 3♠? Yes you opened 1NT, too bad. 3♠ is smolen so four spades, five(+?) hearts. Both vul at imps if it matters. Oops, almost forgot partner is a passed hand, you are 3rd seat. 3NT, 4♥, or 4♠? 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 4♥. Our hand looks much better for suit play. I'd rather bid 4♠ than 3N, although anything could be right (hell, even 5♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 4♥ for me. I prefer playing the 5-2 here. I don't fancy 3NT at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Well, first off I think the 1N opening was at least OK - I do it on 6m322 shapes with something in each of the short suits - though this one, ace rich as it is, seems more oriented to a suit contract. As for what to do now - who knows. 3N, 4♥, 4♠ could all be right. Even 5♦ and, for all I know, 3♠ may be our last making spot - so regardless of whether someone thinks 3♠ is forcing, pass could be the best call. Or, even 4♦ may be our last making spot. Horrible decision. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I will attempt the 4-3 spade fit , I can sit and watch. 3N may be ok, but also may be horrible even when partner is 4-5-2-2 , after all this D suit is not exactly running is it even should partner hold a D honor of value like the Q the C position is weak and quite possibly I will not have 9 top tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 3n wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 4♥. This is a suit oriented hand, and 5-2 fits usually play very well on these types of hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 what rogerclee said not close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I would prefer if 3NT bidders elaborate more besides wtp wtp wtp. Just to spur discussion I will suggest the problem is potentially not having enough tricks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I agree with the game chosen by jdonn at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I like 4♠ for a couple reasons. The simplest being that it maximizes the value of our hand for covering partners losers with As and ruffing his long suits with trump. It looks like we're going to make this opposite AQxx Kxxxx blah blah. I hope they don't lead a trump (K on lead?) I don't like 3NT at all. Please don't bid like this in China, Roger. :huh: Two reasons for this: 1) They will attack clubs2) The diamonds won't set up fast enough. unless partner has Kx and the Q is onside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I'm going to go with 4♥. It will probably come down to which major is better held by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 3N wtp for me because when I simulate this giving responder an unlimited hand (9+),3N works out better than 4M approx. 25 percent of the time. If you prefer answers based on relevant facts only, then 4H is better than 3N and 4S approx. 20 percent of the time. For example, 4H is better than 3N on all of these hands: Q973.QJ654.T.KQ5A654.KQT95.T9.J5 AQ97.KJ643.9.543 KQ65.KQT76.53.76KQ74.Q8654.3.K84 But won't responder always bid on over 3N when he has concentration of values in the majors (hands 2,3 and 4)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 But won't responder always bid on over 3N when he has concentration of values in the majors (hands 2,3 and 4)? Why should he? I can't ever imagine going past 3N with any 4-5, unless I had bigger things in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Given partner is a passed hand I am going to guess partner passed with: Kxxx...Kxxxx..Qx...Qx but opens with: KQxx...KQTxx..xx..xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 If partner would understand 4♦ as natural, or even if he would treat it as choice of major-suit games, I would bid that. Since he is a passed hand, it is possible that he will not think I am making a slam try. But if there is some chance that he will not understand what I am doing, I will bid 4♠ and hope for the best. It strikes me that facing a passed hand, it makes some sort of sense to jump to 3♦ over Stayman with this kind of hand (especially with 2-2 in the majors). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 re: pclayton's comment that partner will never bid on over 3N. Got it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 4♥ for me, since I like my ruffing value with Ax in trump (they can't both attack trump and clubs fast enough). 4♠ does have the benefit of protecting partner's potential side suit honors, and that I don't have to play it. Decisions, decisions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 One thing im sure is im not bidding 4M. Its either 3Nt or 4D letting partner make the last decision. I think ill bid 3Nt. + I prefer to let partner play 4H because i dont have any honnor to protect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 3NT. Are I am certain, we have a mayor suit fit? No.If partner has 6 hearts, he will bid 4H by himself. For that matter, I did treat this hand as an NT opener, I will see it through. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 One thing that is boging me is that we most of the time he will be 4513 (much more often than 4522 or 4513) and at 3Nt we will probably get a club lead. If we have 2 club stoppers we need 6M tricks. But if we can make 6M tricks its very likely 4M is as good a spot than 3Nt. However the case where we only got 1 club stopper 4M is much better. Still i think a sim is needed before ill settle for 4D (COG) Edited Also what would transfer followed by 2S meant ? We are passed hand so we can make some COG move that will not be interpreted as slam tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrei Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 4♠ for me .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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