mike777 Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 "IMPs........VUL versus NV Ax,KQJx,Axx,Jxxx. LHO to deal............Pass-----Pass-----4D to you. Please give a short answer. There is no RIGHT OR WRONG answer. Succinctly discuss your decision if you wish." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 There is no RIGHT OR WRONG answer. I disagree. I claim that anything but pass is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 I vote pass as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Pass but 4♥ could be right. Double I agree is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Pass is RIGHT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Yeah come on, of course pass is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Maybe he meant to make the jack of clubs into the ace of clubs or something like that, so it's a more interesting problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Another reason why pass is rational, is if pard has a 4=4=1=4 10 count (which is one of the hands we are worried about); he's still in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Turn a small diam into a small spad... then is it dbl? Turn a small card into another ace, then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Turn a small diam into a small spad... then is it dbl? Axx KQJx Ax Jxxx? Not quite - for me anyway. Turn a small card into another ace, then what? Ax AKQJ Axx Jxxx? I'll re-pimp 4♥ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Pass. This is not a good good hand. It's good goodish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 seems like an easy pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Pass. Also Josh will call me the semantics police but there is always a right or a wrong bid, we just have no idea what it is or how to solve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Pass. Also Josh will call me the semantics police but there is always a right or a wrong bid, we just have no idea what it is or how to solve it. That's not semantics lol it's just picky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Pass. Also Josh will call me the semantics police but there is always a right or a wrong bid, we just have no idea what it is or how to solve it. There is always a right strategy, but we don't know whether it is pure or mixed. All the best, Richerdano hrotgharend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Pass, I believed the problem more interesting. The only alterntaive being X, which is t/o, you dont want to hear 4S followed by X. If I would be younger and / or more enterprising,and if the Ace of diamonds is the Ace of clubs, youmay try to experiment with 4H, ... nothing for me,I suspect, you also need a understanding partner. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Of course as usual or always semantics matter. It is silly to say semantics do not matter, esp in bridge but really in all things in real life. Semantics matter.... To complain something is just semantics...just means it is a matter of communication or the meaning of words....of very important. and subject to much error and debate.....:) this hand was a big discussion between takeout doubles and optional doubles. SEMANTICS I agree in this case pass seems easy but that semantics do matter as usual...... Semantics is the study of meaning in communicationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Of course as usual or always semantics matter. It is silly to say semantics do not matter, esp in bridge but really in all things in real life. Semantics matter.... this hand was a big discussion between takeout doubles and optional doubles. SEMANTICS I agree in this case pass seems easy but that semantics do matter as usual...... If you have the agreement, that you play optional doubles in this situation, than you have this agreement.But my guess is, that this would be a fairly non standard agreement to have. So it has nothing to do wth SEMANTICS, but with partnershipagreements.I think time showed, that the most effective way to dealwith high level preempt openings is to use double for t/o,... maybe with the exception after a 4S opening. As it is, your partner is still there, and will get another chance,although it is unlikely that he may act.Most likely he should, in case he is short in diamonds and holdsapprox. 8/9 HCP, because the 4D bid wont be made on openingstrength, which could have been the case, if the opening was 3D,which means the risk that we get to hear a penalty double from the 4D bidder is low / non existing. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 So it has nothing to do wth SEMANTICS, but with partnershipagreements. NO'' You show it has everything to do with semantics......partnership agreements are semantics...... meaning of words....meaning of agreements....study of communication......... Do not assume words...phrases....agreements mean what you think they mean just because you may have PHD.....other person may not have one........ esp in bridge.... study meaning in communication...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 There is always a right strategy, but we don't know whether it is pure or mixed.There is always at least one right strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 There is always a right strategy, but we don't know whether it is pure or mixed.There is always at least one right strategy. ... if we have agreed on what is "right" when it comes to dispersion of the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Mike wth are you talking about??? Why am I even asking in fact... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Yes, he is correct there is always one right strategy for every hand, however that strategy is dependent on what partner holds. So, if I choose to double on these cards and partner sits and we take them for 1100, it was the right strategy for THIS HAND. However, since we do not know what partner holds, the best we can do is work with incomplete information and say, if we were take action X, on average, would this be the best option. Obviously, action X may have negative consequences on this hand, even if on the other 90% of the hands it would work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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