skjaeran Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Looks like an obvious double by west. It's close to a 1NT overcall, but that really risks getting hammered. The east hand looks like a pass to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Despite having 15 HCP, I really dislike 1NT. These days I'm much more of the 16-18 school of 1NT openers, having been murdered in 1NT X far too often. With a tenuous spade stopper, flat distribution and no real trick source, 1NT looks very wrong. My personal view is that double vs pass is very much a 50:50 proposition. Whilst game does make, this requires South to have exactly Kx of clubs (or stiff K). Therefore you have found a fairly odds against game, that most of the time will lead to -100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Whilst game does make, this requires South to have exactly Kx of clubs (or stiff K). Therefore you have found a fairly odds against game, that most of the time will lead to -100 Actually, game is obviously better than that. Game makes whenever Opener has: 1. Stiff club King2. Kx in clubs (any K-doubleton)3. Kxxx in clubs (10-9 doubleton to the right, if you play for that)4. Kxx+ in clubs and all three top diamond honors, if the spade Queen comes in and if the opponents do not find the right defense.5. A stiff diamond and both spade top honors. Plus, a catastrophic defensive error is at least possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Can't pass the west hand, and I much prefer double over 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Can't pass the west hand, and I much prefer double over 1NT. I agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 West has to find a call. I prefer double. East has a reasonable pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 I would pass on the West hand and bid 2H on the East hand. Different countries, different style. I would double with the West hand (1NT a second choice and pass a third). If West passes, I would not re-open with East's cards. Roland I asked the two people I play most regularly with... 1. Pass on the West hand, double on the East2. Pass on the West hand, double on the East, unless playing very aggressive opponents (e.g. the Hacketts) when I bid 1NT on the West hand. So I've changed my answer to double from 2H on the East cards. But now I don't care you all think I'm crazy, as long as my partners don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=b&w=sq92haqj8dt82caq8&e=st5hk9763da4cj754]266|100|Scoring: IMPWe passed out South's 1S opening.In fact, South had ♣K-x so 620 was available.Naturally, East & West each thought the other should have acted.What say you?[/hv]IMOWest: _P = 10, IN = 9, _X = 8.East: _X = 10, 2♥ = 7, _P = 4.(Our protective notrump is strong (don't laugh). Otherwise, 1N = 8) If you really think a 1NT bid is worth a 9, then you play against too many knuckalaveys.Its not even close to a 1N overcall.Pass from W, 2H from east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 IMOWest: _P = 10, IN = 9, _X = 8.East: _X = 10, 2♥ = 7, _P = 4.If you really think a 1NT bid is worth a 9, then you play against too many knuckalaveys. Its not even close to a 1N overcall. Pass from W, 2H from east.A Nuckelavee is an elf who lives mainly in the sea. He is held responsible for ruined crops, epidemics, and drought. His breath can wilt the crops and sicken the livestock. He resembles a centaur whose legs are part fin. He has an enormous gaping mouth, and a single, fiery eye. The most gruesome detail of his appearance is the absence of skin. Black blood courses through yellow veins and the pale sinews and powerful muscles are visible as a pulsating mass.i.e. A typical BBO member. No wonder we prefer to play online :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 I would pass on the West hand and bid 2H on the East hand. Different countries, different style. I would double with the West hand (1NT a second choice and pass a third). If West passes, I would not re-open with East's cards. Roland I asked the two people I play most regularly with... 1. Pass on the West hand, double on the East2. Pass on the West hand, double on the East, unless playing very aggressive opponents (e.g. the Hacketts) when I bid 1NT on the West hand. So I've changed my answer to double from 2H on the East cards. But now I don't care you all think I'm crazy, as long as my partners don't. I think those answers are related. If it is your style to pass on the bounty that is the West hand, then East has to stretch to reopen. Unfortunately, that increases the variability of your reopening bids and the variability of your pass calls, which probably leads to inaccurate auctions after 1X-P-P. Additionally, you might find yourself stretching to reopen with crap, giving the other side another chance to find a fit, and possibly game. I understand there is also a slight accompanying increase in precision in all of your other overcall auctions. I'm not willing to make that trade, but I'm not an expert, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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